Kinematics/speed of sound question

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The problem involves kinematics, specifically the motion of a stone dropped into a well and the subsequent sound of the splash being heard after a certain time. The original poster is trying to determine the depth of the well based on the time it takes for the sound to travel back after the stone is dropped.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the time taken for the stone to fall and the time taken for the sound to travel back to the surface. Some participants question the validity of the squaring step in the equation used to combine these times. Others suggest alternative approaches to avoid squaring the equation directly.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing guidance on specific steps that may have led to errors. There is an exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including a suggestion to reformulate the equation in terms of a new variable to simplify the calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes a focus on the assumptions made regarding the speed of sound and the effects of gravity on the stone's fall. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by combining the two different motions in the same equation.

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Homework Statement


A stone is dropped in a well. The splash is heard 3s later. What is the depth of the well?

Homework Equations


constant acceleration equations
take speed of sound to be 343 m/s.

The Attempt at a Solution


For the stone:
u = 0
a = g
s = ut + 0.5at^2

subbing it all in you get t_stone = +sqrt(2s/g)

For the sound wave:
u = v = 343 m/s
v = s/t
subbing it all in you get
t_wave = s/343

(same distance traveled for stone and wave = s)

so you have t_stone + t_wave = 3

therefore
+sqrt(2s/g) + s/343 = 3
squaring both sides and moving over the constant
(s^2/343^2) + 2s/g - 9 = 0

solving this quadratic I get s = 44.02m or -24054m

The answer is 40.7m. Where did I go wrong?
 
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Check the step where you squared both sides of the equation. Note (a + b)2 ≠ a2 + b2 in general.

It might be good to isolate the square root on one side of the equation before squaring the equation.
 
TSny said:
Check the step where you squared both sides of the equation. Note (a + b)2 ≠ a2 + b2 in general.

It might be good to isolate the square root on one side of the equation before squaring the equation.

Oops. Nice spot. Thanks for the help!
 
OK. Another approach would be to let ##x = \sqrt{s}## and write your equation sqrt(2s/g) + s/343 = 3 as a quadratic equation in terms of ##x##. You will then not have to square the equation. Solve for ##x## and then find ##s##.
 

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