Kinetic friction on smooth then rough surface

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The problem involves a 2.0 kg mass subjected to a constant horizontal force of 6 N while moving across two different surfaces: a frictionless surface followed by a rough surface. The objective is to determine the coefficient of friction on the rough surface, given that the mass comes to rest after traveling a total distance of 30 m.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law and the work-energy theorem to analyze the forces acting on the mass. There is a debate regarding the net force required to decelerate the mass on the rough surface and the corresponding coefficient of friction. Some participants question the assumptions made about the forces involved during the transition from the frictionless to the rough surface.

Discussion Status

There are differing opinions on the correct coefficient of friction, with some participants supporting a value of 0.6 based on their calculations, while others suggest that 0.3 is incorrect. The discussion includes attempts to clarify the definitions and implications of the forces at play, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the implications of the forces acting on the mass, particularly in relation to the transition between the two surfaces. There is mention of potential typographical errors in terminology, which may affect clarity in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Given a 2.0 kg mass at rest on a horizontal surface at point zero. For 30.0 m, a constant horizontal force of 6 N is applied to the mass.

For the first 15 m, the surface is frictionless. For the second 15 m, there is friction between the surface and the mass.

The 6 N force continues but the mass slows to rest at the end of the 30 m. The coefficient of friction between the surface and the mass is _____.

Homework Equations


F = ma
Work-kinetic energy theorem
F_friction = mu * m * g

The Attempt at a Solution

To solve this, I found the velocity at 15 m by first using F=ma to find that the acceleration for the first 15 m is 3 m/s^2.

Then I used a kinematic equation to find that the velocity at 15 m is sqrt(90).
So then, for the second 15 m, I drew a force diagram and saw that for the mass to decelerate to 0 in the exact same distance as it took to accelerate, then the net force must be the same magnitude but in the reverse direction to slow it down.

So I thought that since it was previously just 6 N to the right, I thought the force of friction would have to be 12 N to the left so that the net force is 6 N to the left.
Force of friction = coeff_fric * m * g

So that means that 12 = coeff_fric * m * g

Solving for coeff_fric, I got 0.6.

But that is apparently wrong since it's supposed to be 0.3.
But the only way to get 0.3 is if Force of friction = 6 N to the left. But I don't see why it should be 6 N instead of 12 N to the left.
 
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total force on the object in rough surface is, [(coffee-of friction)mg-F] coffee of friction = u
by work energy theorem, kinetic energy is lost in doing work against friction,
so F.x=1/2mv^2
F is = [(coffee-of friction)mg-F]
putting values we get
(20u-6)*15=1/2*90*2 ------>15 meters is length of rough surface

20u=12
u=.6
[[[[[[[[correct answer is .6]]]]]]]
if u=.3 then both forces will balance each other so there will be no deceleration
and body will continue
.3 is WRONG answer
 
@Sagar Singh coffee of friction = coefficient of friction? :wink:

I agree with 0.6
 
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NascentOxygen said:
@Sagar Singh coffee of friction = coefficient of friction? :wink:

I agree with 0.6
haha typing mistake, coefficient of friction
i want to write, (coeff) but it auto corrected to (coffee) to coffee
 
Thank you everyone! Just wanted to confirm.
 

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