Kinetics Question: Solving for Velocity and Displacement

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The discussion focuses on solving for velocity and displacement in a kinetics problem. Participants identify issues with the integration of the velocity function, specifically the incorrect handling of the exponential term. After correcting the integral, the final expression for distance is derived, but it yields a negative value, prompting a clarification that this represents displacement rather than distance. The conversation emphasizes the importance of the constant "b" in determining the direction of motion, which affects the sign of the calculated distance. Ultimately, understanding the distinction between displacement and distance is crucial for accurate problem-solving in kinetics.
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v = ds/dt

∫v dt = ∫ds

(put all inital values for V)
∫70-70e^t dt = ds

70t - 70t*e^t = s

There is something wrong with my methodology. can you guide me here?
 

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Looks like you did not integrate e^{-bt} correctly. Check you last eqution. You have something extra there.
 
uzman1243 said:
∫70-70e^t dt = ds

70t - 70t*e^t = s

Are you sure that is the correct integral?


Edit:
Sorry, I didn't see Mr-R's post when I posted this
 
Mr-R said:
Looks like you did not integrate e^{-bt} correctly. Check you last eqution. You have something extra there.

∫v0 (1-e^(-b*t))

∫v0 - v0*e^(-b*t)

= v0*t - V0*e^(-b*t) + c

is that correct?
 
uzman1243 said:
∫v0 (1-e^(-b*t))

∫v0 - v0*e^(-b*t)

= v0*t - V0*e^(-b*t) + c

is that correct?
Well the constant c is nice :smile:. Missing something from e^{-bt} when you intagrated it though.

Edit: are you writing b explicitly or just its value? If you just substitute its value there then your integral is correct. (looks like you did not)
 
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Mr-R said:
Well the constant c is nice :smile:. Missing something from e^{-bt} when you intagrated it though.

Edit: are you writing b explicitly or just its value? If you just substitute its value there then your integral is correct. (looks like you did not)

Can you show me the integration?
 
uzman1243 said:
Can you show me the integration?

Of course I can, but I know you can do it by yourself so I will give an example.

∫e^{Cx}dx=\frac{1}{C}e^{Cx}+c

Can you see you mistake and fix your integral now?
 
Mr-R said:
Of course I can, but I know you can do it by yourself so I will give an example.

∫e^{Cx}dx=\frac{1}{C}e^{Cx}+c

Can you see you mistake and fix your integral now?

v0*t + (V0*e^(-b*t))/b + c

Yes. That should be it? Now I sub in all the values and find the constant C and my final answer for distance is -1126m. The answer is correct but it should be a positive value.
Is this because my answer is displacement and the question requires distance (just magnitude only)?
 
uzman1243 said:
v0*t + (V0*e^(-b*t))/b + c

Yes. That should be it? Now I sub in all the values and find the constant C and my final answer for distance is -1126m. The answer is correct but it should be a positive value.
Is this because my answer is displacement and the question requires distance (just magnitude only)?

Well the function describes a train moving with a velocity that has a negative sign(if b=-1 see below). If they defined the positive direction to be the right direction. Then the function gives you a backwards moving train.

See the attached file,

The first graph is your given equation (velocity). The second graph is the distance which you found by integrating.

Examine the given equation(velocity) and you will notice that "b" is the constant which makes the velocity to be positive or negative. If b=1 then the train will travel in the positive direction and you will end up with positive distance.
 

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