L-R-C Series Circuits - Help With Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation related to charge and current in an LRC series circuit, specifically the equation \(\frac{d^{2}q}{dt^{2}} + \frac{R}{L} \frac{dq}{dt} + \frac{1}{LC}q = 0\). The original poster seeks to verify the solution form under the condition \(R^{2} < \frac{4L}{C}\) by calculating derivatives and substituting them back into the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to verify the solution by finding the first and second derivatives of the charge function and substituting them into the differential equation. Some participants suggest simplifying the problem by using constants to represent coefficients and solving the differential equation directly.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing suggestions for alternative approaches and questioning the notation used by the original poster. There is no explicit consensus on the method, but guidance has been offered regarding a potentially simpler way to tackle the problem.

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Participants have noted potential issues with the notation, specifically regarding the use of variables and the placement of parentheses in the equations. This indicates a need for clarity in the mathematical expressions being discussed.

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Hello,

this is a maths problem that is related to a physics problem, but I think it's best posted here due to what I'm asking about.

1. Homework Statement


[itex]\frac{d^{2}q}{dt^{2}} + \frac{R}{L} \frac{dq}{dt} + \frac{1}{LC}q = 0[/itex] is a differential equation describing how charge and current change with time in an LRC series circuit (found via Kirchoff's loop rule).

It is stated that when [itex]R^{2} < \frac{4L}{C}[/itex] the solution has the form [tex]q = Ae^{-(\frac{R}{2L})t}cos(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t)} + \phi)[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



What I would like to do is verify this, by finding the first and second derivative and substituting them into the original equation.

[itex]q = f(x)g(x)[/itex] where [itex]f(x) = Ae^{-(\frac{R}{2L})t}[/itex] and [itex]g(x) = cos(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t)} + \phi)[/itex]

[itex]\frac{dq}{dt} = f(x)g'(x) + g(x)f'(x)[/itex]

[itex]f'(x) = - \frac{R}{2L}Ae^{-\frac{R}{2L}t}[/itex]

[itex]g'(x) = - \frac{R^{2} \sin(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t} + \phi))}{8L^{2} \sqrt{\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t}}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{dq}{dt} = Ae^{-(\frac{R}{2L})t} (-\frac{R^{2} \sin{\sqrt{\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t}+ \phi}}{8L^{2} \sqrt{\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t}})+ cos(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t)} + \phi) (- \frac{R}{2L}Ae^{-\frac{R}{2L}t})[/itex]

I would then need to use the quotient rule and the product rule again, meaning I'm going to collect even more terms. Am I going about doing this in the correct manner? I assume everything is meant to cancel at the end, but this seems somewhat absurd...

I don't expect anyone to check my work, but I would greatly appreciate someone confirming or denying my method.

Thanks!
 
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I'm glad you don't expect anyone to check your work. For one thing, probably everywhere you have an ##x## it should be a ##t##. What I would do if I were you is call ##a = \frac R L## and ##b = \frac 1 {LC}## and just solve the DE ##q'' + aq' +bq = 0##. It's just a constant coefficient equation and you can take the case where the roots are complex conjugate. That's probably the reason for ##R^2<\frac{4L} C##. Put the constants in at the end. It should be easy.
 
In your first equation q = ... and elsewhere, shouldn't the t be outsid the ) bracket?
 
epenguin said:
In your first equation q = ... and elsewhere, shouldn't the t be outsid the ) bracket?
Right!
 

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