Lagrangian Mechanics and pendulum

In summary, the problem involves finding the Lagrangian for a simple pendulum suspended from a cart that can oscillate on a spring. The Lagrange equations are used to solve for the two generalized coordinates, x and \phi. The attempted solution involves finding the kinetic and potential energy terms, but there may be errors in the calculations.
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noranne
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Homework Statement



A simple pendulum (mass M and length L) is suspended from a cart (mass m) that can oscillate on the end of a spring of force constant k. Write the Lagrangian in terms of the two generalized coordinates x and [tex]\phi[/tex], where x is the extension of the spring from its equilibrium length. Find the two Lagrange equations.



Homework Equations



L = T - U

[tex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial x} - \frac{d}{dt}(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}}) = 0 [/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial \phi} - \frac{d}{dt}(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\phi}}) = 0 [/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



So far I'm thinking [tex] T = \frac{1}{2}M\dot{x}^2 + \frac{1}{2}M(L\dot{\phi} + \dot{x}) [/tex] and [tex] U = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 + -Lcos(\phi)Mg [/tex]

I feel like that's wrong, like the potential energy of the pendulum might not just depend on its height below the track. And the kinetic energy might be wrong. Really, this problem is totally throwing me for a loop, after I was feeling pretty confident about Lagrangian mechanics for about 4 problems. Any help??
 
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noranne said:
So far I'm thinking [tex] T =+ \frac{1}{2}M(L\dot{\phi})^21 + \dot{x}) [/tex]

This should be [tex] T =+ \frac{1}{2}M(L\dot{\phi})^2[/tex]
The rest looks OK.
 
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That's not right either.

In the frame attached to the cart, the kinetic term is:
[tex]T'=M/2(\dot{x'}^2 + \dot{y'}^2) [/tex]

where [itex]\dot{x'}=L\dot{\phi}cos \phi [/itex]. In the lab frame, this becomes:

[tex]T=M/2((\dot{x'}+\dot{x})^2 + \dot{y'}^2) [/tex]
 

1. What is Lagrangian Mechanics and how does it relate to pendulums?

Lagrangian Mechanics is a mathematical framework used to describe the motion of physical systems. It is based on the principle of least action, which states that a system will follow the path that minimizes the action (a measure of energy) along its trajectory. This framework can be applied to pendulums to accurately predict their motion.

2. How does Lagrangian Mechanics differ from Newtonian Mechanics?

Lagrangian Mechanics takes a more general approach to describing the motion of physical systems compared to Newtonian Mechanics. While Newtonian Mechanics relies on the concept of forces and the laws of motion, Lagrangian Mechanics uses the principle of least action and takes into account the kinetic and potential energies of a system.

3. Can Lagrangian Mechanics be used to describe any type of pendulum?

Yes, Lagrangian Mechanics can be used to describe any type of pendulum, including simple, compound, and physical pendulums. It can also be applied to systems with multiple pendulums or other objects attached.

4. What is the significance of the Lagrangian in Lagrangian Mechanics?

The Lagrangian is a mathematical function that represents the total energy of a system. It is equal to the difference between the kinetic and potential energies of a system. In Lagrangian Mechanics, the trajectory of a system can be determined by minimizing the action, which is directly related to the Lagrangian.

5. How is the motion of a pendulum affected by the Lagrangian?

The Lagrangian takes into account the potential and kinetic energies of a pendulum, which are affected by factors such as the length of the pendulum, mass, and gravitational acceleration. By using the Lagrangian, the equations of motion for a pendulum can be derived and used to predict its behavior.

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