LC circuit -- Calculate the work done

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The discussion centers on calculating the work done when the plates of a capacitor in an LC circuit are separated to increase the oscillation frequency. The work done, represented as ΔW, is derived from the average force exerted between the plates and the change in distance, leading to the formula ΔW = W * (η - 1). The conversation highlights concerns about the conservation of charge, indicating that the initial charge q_m is not conserved during the process. Additionally, participants emphasize the assumption that the average force remains constant while the plates are separated. The thread concludes with a suggestion to start a new thread for unrelated questions.
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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
In an oscillating circuit consisting of of a parallel-plate capacitor and an inductance coil with negligible active resistance the oscillations with energy ##W## are sustained. The capacitor plates were slowly drawn apart to increase the scillation frequency ##\eta##-fold. What work was done in the process?

Homework Equations


##C = \frac{\epsilon_0 \cdot S}{d}##
##C'=\frac{\epsilon_0 \cdot S}{\eta^2 d} ##

The Attempt at a Solution


So ohm's law is written like this: (before the stretching of the capacitor)

##L \cdot \ddot{q} = -\frac{q}{C}##
This implies:
##\omega^2=\frac{1}{LC}##
##q_{(t)}=q_m \cdot sin(\omega t)##

The electrostatic force exerted by one plate on the other is:

## F = E_{(t)} \cdot q_{(t)} ##
## E_{(t)} = \frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_0} = \frac{q_{(t)}}{2\epsilon_0S} ## ##\Bigg\} ## ##F = \frac{q_{(t)}^2}{2\epsilon_0S}=\frac{q_m^2 \cdot sin(\omega t)^2}{2\epsilon_0S}##

Because the streching of the capacitor happened slowly it means that we can consider the average force over one period:

##\bar{F}=\frac{q_m^2}{4\epsilon_0S}##
So , the work done is then:
## \Delta W= \bar{F}\cdot d\cdot (\eta^2-1) = \frac{q_m^2d}{4\epsilon_0S} \cdot (\eta^2-1)##

Now,
##W=\frac{q_m^2}{2C}=\frac{q_m^2d}{2\epsilon_0S}##

From here results that :
##\Delta W= \frac{W}{2} \cdot (\eta^2-1)##

This formula implies that the initial charge ##q_m## is not conserved. Is it ok? It looked odd to me...
 
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RingNebula57 said:
##\bar{F}=\frac{q_m^2}{4\epsilon_0S}##
I believe this is correct.

So , the work done is then:
## \Delta W= \bar{F}\cdot d\cdot (\eta^2-1) = \frac{q_m^2d}{4\epsilon_0S} \cdot (\eta^2-1)##
This assumes that ##\bar{F}## remains constant while the plates are separated. But as you found, ##q_m## is not conserved. So, the average force is not constant.

Now,
##W=\frac{q_m^2}{2C}=\frac{q_m^2d}{2\epsilon_0S}##
Yes

For notational convenience, I suggest letting ##x## stand for the distance between the plates. Consider the work done by the average applied force for an infinitesimal increase in separation, ##dx##.
 
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TSny said:
I believe this is correct.

This assumes that ##\bar{F}## remains constant while the plates are separated. But as you found, ##q_m## is not conserved. So, the average force is not constant.

Yes

For notational convenience, I suggest letting ##x## stand for the distance between the plates. Consider the work done by the average applied force for an infinitesimal increase in separation, ##dx##.
Thank you!

I solved it. Obtaining that :

##\Delta W = W \cdot (\eta-1)##
 
RingNebula57 said:
I solved it. Obtaining that :

##\Delta W = W \cdot (\eta-1)##
Looks good!
 
RingNebula57 said:
Thank you!

I solved it. Obtaining that :

##\Delta W = W \cdot (\eta-1)##
Please help me with the solution...as I am g
etting a logarithmic term while integration of 1/x
 
Anubhav said:
Please help me with the solution...as I am g
etting a logarithmic term while integration of 1/x
Please start a new thread with your question. This thread here is 5 years old. Thank you.
 
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