Length Contraction: Row of Blocks & Rods

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of length contraction in special relativity, particularly focusing on a row of blocks or rods and how they appear from different inertial frames. Participants explore the implications of length contraction on the perception of touching objects and the behavior of rods in motion.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when observed from a moving frame, the blocks will appear shorter but may still seem to be touching each other, raising questions about the nature of length contraction.
  • Others argue that the perception of touching blocks contradicts the behavior of a single rod, where the back end appears to get closer to the front end, leading to confusion about how multiple rods can remain in contact.
  • A later reply questions the assumption that the back end of a rod gets closer to the front end, suggesting alternative interpretations of motion and contraction.
  • One participant introduces the idea of using radar detection to analyze the points of contact between rods, implying a method to investigate the phenomenon further.
  • Another participant inquires about the appearance of the blocks in a plane orthogonal to the direction of motion, suggesting that they may remain unaffected in that dimension.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how length contraction affects the perception of touching objects, with no consensus reached on the mechanics of how rods behave in motion relative to one another.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of visualizing length contraction, noting that assumptions about motion and contact may vary based on the chosen reference frame. The discussion includes various interpretations of how objects behave under relativistic effects, with no resolution on the specifics of these interactions.

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if you have a row of blocks, all touching each other in your frame, then when observed from a frame moving relative to you in the direction of the blocks will the contraction make the blocks look as if they're not touching - each one will be shorter but the total length of the row will be almost the same? if this is true then why doesn't a normal rod look as if it got pulled apart in another frame?
Thanks.
 
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daniel_i_l said:
if you have a row of blocks, all touching each other in your frame, then when observed from a frame moving relative to you in the direction of the blocks will the contraction make the blocks look as if they're not touching - each one will be shorter but the total length of the row will be almost the same? if this is true then why doesn't a normal rod look as if it got pulled apart in another frame?
Thanks.
They will still be touching one another. It's not just the blocks that are length contracted, it's space itself.

Patrick
 
Thanks, but i don't understand how they can still be touching. because in the usuall case of a single rod, the back end gets closer to the front end. so if you have a row of rods and the back end of each one gets closer to the front then how can they stay together? do the rods themselves also get closer to each other? if so then why does the rod behave differantly (move forwards in addition to being contracted) when there's another one infront of it?
Thanks.
 
daniel_i_l said:
Thanks, but i don't understand how they can still be touching. because in the usuall case of a single rod, the back end gets closer to the front end.
Where did you get the idea that "the back end gets closer to the front end", as opposed to, say, "the front end gets closer to the back end" or "both ends get closer to the midpoint"? I don't think it's useful to imagine the rods going through a continuous process of "shrinking" from one length to another, since this would involve the rod accelerating and there would be a variety of ways the different parts of the rod could be moving depending on the method you chose to accelerate it (most forms of acceleration would actually physically distort the ruler, not just in the sense of length contraction but in the sense of a rubber band being stretched or compressed in its own rest frame). It's better to think of length contraction in terms of each inertial reference frame having a physical grid moving at constant velocity which that frame uses to assign coordinates to different events, and each observer will measure the other's grid to be shrunk relative to their own. Suppose at a particular moment a ruler moving at 0.866c parallel to the x-axis of my grid has its back end at x=2 meters on my grid, and its front end at x=3 meters, and another ruler has its back end at x=3 meters and its front at x=4 meters, so each ruler is measured to be 1 meter long and the two are touching. If we have a second grid that is at rest relative to the ruler, I will see its markings shrunk along the x-axis, so that it marks 2 meters for every 1 meter marked on my grid along that axis. In this case, at the moment I made the measurements above, the back end of the first ruler might also be at x=2 meters on the second grid, but then the front end would be at x=4 meters on that grid's x-axis, while the back end of the second ruler would be at x=4 meters and its front end would be at x=6 meters. So this second grid measures each ruler to be two meters long, but of course it still measures the front end of one ruler to coincide with the back of the other, since it's just a different grid placed next to the same two rulers that I'm looking at.
 
length contraction and radar detection

daniel_i_l said:
if you have a row of blocks, all touching each other in your frame, then when observed from a frame moving relative to you in the direction of the blocks will the contraction make the blocks look as if they're not touching - each one will be shorter but the total length of the row will be almost the same? if this is true then why doesn't a normal rod look as if it got pulled apart in another frame?
Thanks.
try please radar detection of the points where the rods contact each other
 
What do the blocks look like in the plane orthongonal to the direction of motion? I would think it is unaffected because it is not moving in relation to the direction of motion.
 

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