Lifetime of Universe: Limits & Expansion Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the 'lifetime' of the universe in the context of general relativity, particularly focusing on closed and open universe models, their expansion dynamics, and the role of dark energy. Participants explore theoretical implications and mathematical representations related to cosmological models.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the 'lifetime' of a closed universe refers to an integral involving the scale factor and Hubble parameter, suggesting that the scale factor decreases over time.
  • Another participant asserts that a closed universe without dark energy will have both past and future singularities, indicating a maximal cosmological time.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the current universe, influenced by dark energy, will experience perpetual accelerated expansion.
  • There is a challenge to the idea that the curvature dominates at late times, with a participant arguing that ordinary matter density is sufficient to cause recollapse.
  • Participants discuss the implications of a cosmological constant, with one suggesting that it leads to an exponential scale factor solution in the Friedmann equation.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the interpretation of integrals related to the universe's lifetime, with some participants expressing confusion about their relevance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dynamics of closed and open universes, the role of dark energy, and the interpretation of mathematical expressions related to cosmological models. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of terms like 'lifetime' and the implications of curvature in cosmological models. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of mathematical expressions and their physical significance.

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I am studying general relativity from Hobson and came across the term 'lifetime' of a closed (k>0) universe, ##t_{lifetime}##.

I suppose at late times the curvature dominates and universe starts contracting? Are they simply referring to ##\int_0^{\infty} dt##? If so, would the bottom expression be right?

\int_0^{\infty}dt = \int_1^{0} \frac{1}{a(t) H(t)} dt

Do you think this makes sense since ##a(t)## is decreasing and will eventually reach ##0##?

Then for an open universe (k<0), won't the universe simply keep expanding? If I read right, our universe is mostly flat, right? Then what is driving the expansion? Dust?
 
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In the closed universe (without dark energy), there will be a past singularity as well as a future singularity, i.e., there will be a maximal value for the cosmological time t.

This is purely academic as we seem to be living in a universe with a dark energy component that has already started to dominate, meaning the universe will forever undergo accelerated expansion.
 
Orodruin said:
In the closed universe (without dark energy), there will be a past singularity as well as a future singularity, i.e., there will be a maximal value for the cosmological time t.

This is purely academic as we seem to be living in a universe with a dark energy component that has already started to dominate, meaning the universe will forever undergo accelerated expansion.

Ok, so it would be
\int_{t_0}^{t_{life}}dt = \int_1^{0} \frac{1}{a(t) H(t)} dt

So there is a 'cosmological constant' after all? Meaning since ##\rho_{\Lambda} = constant##, then solving the friedmann equation gives ##a(t) \propto e^{mt}##.
 
anyone?
 
unscientific said:
I suppose at late times the curvature dominates and universe starts contracting?

No. What happens is that the density of ordinary matter in the universe is sufficient to cause it to recollapse. The second Friedmann equation, for ##\ddot{a} / a##, is the key to the dynamics; note that there is no curvature term in this equation.

unscientific said:
Are they simply referring to ##\int_0^{\infty} dt## ?

No. This just gives ##\infty - 0 = \infty##.

unscientific said:
Do you think this makes sense

No. I don't understand what you think this integral represents.

unscientific said:
So there is a 'cosmological constant' after all? Meaning since ##\rho_{\Lambda} = constant##, then solving the friedmann equation gives ##a(t) \propto e^{mt}## .

There is a cosmological constant according to our best current model, yes. But I don't see what the integral you wrote down has to do with it.
 

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