Lifting Arrangement: Inner Slings Capacity Question

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The discussion revolves around the lifting arrangement of a beam, specifically questioning the capacity and tension distribution of inner slings compared to external slings. Participants explore the implications of beam stiffness, deflection under self-weight, and various factors affecting lifting mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if the center of mass of the beam is not directly under the crane's cable, the crane cannot lift the load effectively.
  • There is a question about whether the inner slings will experience the same force as the outer slings when only considering the self-weight of the beam.
  • Participants note that for a perfectly stiff, uniform beam, all slings would be under the same tension, but real beams may have varying tensions depending on their placement.
  • Concerns are raised about slender beams potentially buckling under their own weight.
  • Several factors must be calculated when lifting, including the strength of the lifting beam, slings, shackles, eyebolts, and the load itself.
  • It is mentioned that slings come in different lengths, which may affect load sharing, and that using ratchet straps can help distribute the load more effectively.
  • Some participants propose considering lifting at the Airy points or using a whipple-tree mechanism for long and flexible beams to maintain horizontal ends during lifting.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the tension distribution in slings and the factors affecting lifting mechanics. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on the effectiveness of inner versus outer slings.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of various calculations and considerations in lifting arrangements, indicating that assumptions about load distribution and beam behavior may not hold in practical scenarios.

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Hi guys,

Just an easy question. Looking at the lifting arrangement below -Do you know if the inner slings (attached towards middle of the beam) works as much as the external ones?

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Welcome, trabel! :smile:
Your crane can't lift that out of balance load (center of mass of red beam is not directly under the crane's cable).
 
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Yeah, let's say there are no external forces, just only self weight. Do you think slings will see the same force?
What do you think about beam stiffness, and its deflection under self weight.
 
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BTW. I suppose it is a well known issue with lifting long soft (not so stiff) structures.
 
For a perfectly stiff, uniform beam, the slings are all under the same tension. For a real beam, the outer slings or the inner slings could be at higher tension - depends on whether the placement makes the beam 'smile' or 'frown.'
 
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10 points go tooooooooooooooooo DULLARD
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If too slender, both, the spreader and the beam will also tend to buckle under own weight.
 
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Some things to consider when lifting:

If the center of gravity is not directly under the crane hook before lifting, it will be after lifting. In between, it will swing, possibly violently.

It is necessary to calculate strength of the lifting beam, and also the load. It is not a given that the load can be lifted by connecting where convenient.

It is necessary to calculate the strength of every lifting sling. Also the strength of all shackles, eyebolts, and other lifting hardware.

It is necessary to calculate the strength of lifting lugs, and their attachment to the load. Do not assume that bolt patterns and/or welds are loaded symmetrically.

The crane load includes the weight of the lifting beam and other hardware.

Slings come in discrete nominal lengths. The exact lengths are all different. Three or more slings in a row will not share the load the way you think. One way to deal with this is to have two slings plus ratchet straps. Tighten the ratchet straps while lifting the load so as to properly share the load.

Sometimes you are better to design the load for lifting. That can be lower cost than designing and building a lifting beam that only gets used once.

Beware the trap of dumping all lifting calculations on one person, then telling that person that "regular work" is more important. They will pencil whip the lifting diagrams. Not me, but I have seen it.
 
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