Linear Algebra define scalar products

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The discussion revolves around defining scalar products in the context of Linear Algebra, specifically focusing on the formulas provided for R^2. Participants are examining whether certain equations qualify as scalar products based on their properties.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the clarity of the original poster's inquiry and suggesting a rephrasing to specify the topic of inner or dot products. There is also a discussion about the definition of bilinear forms and how to demonstrate that certain equations meet this criterion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the bilinear property, suggesting specific checks that need to be performed. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify definitions and assumptions related to scalar products.

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There is mention of a potential typo in one of the equations and a request for clarification on the definition of "bilinear" as it pertains to the course materials. The original poster has indicated they are familiar with some properties of scalar products but are seeking help specifically with bilinearity.

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Homework Statement


How do you know if say [(x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)] = x_1x_2 + 7y_1y_2 ? or any other equation?

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Assuming the 7 is a typo, it's a matter of definition.
 
Your question isn't clear. Try rephrasing it. Specify the topic you are talking about. Are you asking something about "inner product" or "dot product"?
 
The question I was given on my Linear Algebra home assignment is as follows
Witch of the following formulas define scalar products on R^2? Explain your answer.
(a) ((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)) = x_1y_2 + x_2y_1

(b) ((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)) = x_1x_2 + 7y_1y_2

(c) ((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)) = x_1x_2 + x_1y_2 + x_2y_1 + y_1y_2

I know how to show its positive def. and I know how to show it is symmetric. I Want to know how to show its bilinear.

Sorry I left out bilinear in my original question :/
 
Physicstcd14 said:
The question I was given on my Linear Algebra home assignment is as follows
Witch of the following formulas define scalar products on R^2? Explain your answer.
(a) ((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)) = x_1y_2 + x_2y_1

(b) ((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)) = x_1x_2 + 7y_1y_2

(c) ((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)) = x_1x_2 + x_1y_2 + x_2y_1 + y_1y_2

I know how to show its positive def. and I know how to show it is symmetric. I Want to know how to show its bilinear.

Sorry I left out bilinear in my original question :/

What's the definition of "bilinear" in your course materials? Is it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilinear_form ?
Then show
( (u_x,u_y) + (v_x,v_y), (w_x,w_y) ) = ((u_x,u_y),(w_x,w_y)) + ((v_x,v_y)(w_x,w_y))
and
<br /> ( (u_x,u_y), (v_x,v_y)+ (w_x,w_y) ) = ((u_x,u_y),(v_x,v_y)) + ((u_x,u_y)(w_x,w_y))
and
(\lambda(u_x,u_y), (v_x,v_y)) = ((u_x,u_y),\lambda(v_x,v_y)) = \lambda( (u_x,u_y),(v_x,v_y))
 
Oh right okay. Thanks :smile:
 
Stephen Tashi said:
What's the definition of "bilinear" in your course materials? Is it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilinear_form ?
Then show
( (u_x,u_y) + (v_x,v_y), (w_x,w_y) ) = ((u_x,u_y),(w_x,w_y)) + ((v_x,v_y)(w_x,w_y))
and
<br /> ( (u_x,u_y), (v_x,v_y)+ (w_x,w_y) ) = ((u_x,u_y),(v_x,v_y)) + ((u_x,u_y)(w_x,w_y))
and
(\lambda(u_x,u_y), (v_x,v_y)) = ((u_x,u_y),\lambda(v_x,v_y)) = \lambda( (u_x,u_y),(v_x,v_y))

Also, most (all?) discussions of "inner product" would include the condition ##((x_1,y_1),(x_1,y_1)) \geq 0##, with ##>0## holding whenever ##(x_1,y_1) \neq (0,0)##. I don't know if your textbook or notes includes this, but if it does then you need to check that as well.
 

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