Linking Fourier Transform, Vectors and Complex Numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between Fourier transforms, complex numbers, and their representation as vectors in the complex plane. Participants explore how the multiplication of a complex number with a Fourier-transformed signal affects the signal's amplitude and phase, particularly in the context of a cosine waveform. The conversation includes attempts to visualize these concepts and link them to amplitude-frequency plots.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how multiplying a complex number with a Fourier-transformed signal affects the signal.
  • Another participant suggests considering the modulus and argument of the Fourier-transformed signal, ##V(f)##, to understand its amplitude and phase.
  • It is noted that the product of two complex numbers in polar form results in a new complex number whose modulus is the product of the moduli and whose argument is the sum of the arguments.
  • Participants discuss that multiplying the complex number ##c## with ##V(f)## results in an increase in amplitude and a shift in phase, with the angle being added to the argument of ##V(f)##.
  • One participant struggles to connect the vector representation of complex numbers to amplitude-frequency plots, describing the latter as spikes at different frequencies.
  • Another participant clarifies that the amplitude spectrum is a plot of the modulus of ##V(f)##, while the phase spectrum represents the argument of ##V(f)##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the effects of multiplying complex numbers on amplitude and phase but express differing levels of understanding regarding the visualization of these concepts in relation to amplitude-frequency plots. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully linking these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate limitations in their understanding of how to visualize the relationship between complex numbers and amplitude-frequency plots, suggesting that further exploration or examples may be needed.

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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to attempt the question but I am not sure how to start it, at least for part (i).

My biggest question, I think, is how does the multiplication of a random complex number to a Fourier-Transformed signal (V(f)) have an effect on V(f)? Although the question did not specify the type of signal that has been Fourier-Transformed, I shall assume that the original signal is a cosine waveform, as shown below:

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with fm=1.

In the question, it also mentioned to visualise V(f) and cV(f) as vectors in the complex plane, but how should I do it? Are there any diagrams online that show me how to represent cV(f) and V(f) as vectors in the complex plane?

Thank you. :)
 
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I'd suggest you start by answering the following:
  1. For some frequency ##f##, what does the modulus and argument of ##V(f)## represent? The first paragraph of the Wiki should be helpful.
  2. If you have two complex numbers in polar form ##z_1 = r_1\angle\phi_1,z_2 = r_2\angle\phi_2##, what is their product ##z_1 z_2## equal to?
 
milesyoung said:
I'd suggest you start by answering the following:
  1. For some frequency ##f##, what does the modulus and argument of ##V(f)## represent? The first paragraph of the Wiki should be helpful.
  2. If you have two complex numbers in polar form ##z_1 = r_1\angle\phi_1,z_2 = r_2\angle\phi_2##, what is their product ##z_1 z_2## equal to?

1. The modulus of ##V(f)## represents the amplitude of ##v(t)##, while the argument of ##V(f)## represents the phase angle of ##v(f)##.

2. The product should be equals to ##r_1r_2\angle(\phi_1+\phi_2)##. Am I right to say this?

Thank you. :)
 
galaxy_twirl said:
1. The modulus of ##V(f)## represents the amplitude of ##v(t)##, while the argument of ##V(f)## represents the phase angle of ##v(f)##.
The modulus and argument of ##V(f)## represents the amplitude and phase, respectively, of the frequency component at ##f##, but you get the idea.

galaxy_twirl said:
2. The product should be equals to ##r_1r_2\angle(\phi_1+\phi_2)##. Am I right to say this?
Yes, you are. For your first question (i), you again have two complex numbers ##c## and ##V(f)##, so what can you say about their product ##cV(f)##?
 
milesyoung said:
Yes, you are. For your first question (i), you again have two complex numbers ##c## and ##V(f)##, so what can you say about their product ##cV(f)##?

There will be an increase in the amplitude of the wave which has been Fourier Transformed, while for the angle, it would be shifted x radians away to the left, since the angles will add up when ##c## is multiplied to ##V(f)##. Am I right to say this? :)
 
galaxy_twirl said:
There will be an increase in the amplitude of the wave which has been Fourier Transformed, while for the angle, it would be shifted x radians away to the left, since the angles will add up when ##c## is multiplied to ##V(f)##. Am I right to say this? :)
You're talking about the vector interpretation of complex numbers? Like, if ##\arg(c)## is positive, the vector ##V(f)## would be scaled and rotated counterclockwise in the complex plane? That's how I understand what you wrote, and it's true, so it seems you already know everything you need to solve your assignment.

Do you have any questions?
 
I was visualising it from a mathematical viewpoint, as in the earlier question, multiplying 2 complex numbers, ##z_1## and ##z_2##.

Right now, I still can't really link the vector diagram of complex numbers to the plot of amplitude-frequency of waves, I think. >< The latter, from my point of view, is a diagram of spikes coming out at different frequencies, depending on the original wave.

I do agree that the vector ##V(f)## will be rotated anti-clockwise as the summing of angles is positive.

Thanks a lot for your help! :D
 
galaxy_twirl said:
Right now, I still can't really link the vector diagram of complex numbers to the plot of amplitude-frequency of waves, I think. >< The latter, from my point of view, is a diagram of spikes coming out at different frequencies, depending on the original wave.
Ah, you mean the amplitude spectrum, e.g:

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But that's just a plot of ##|V(f)|## over some interval of ##f##, i.e. it's a plot of the modulus of ##V(f)##. In some contexts, you also include the phase spectrum, which is just a plot of ##\arg(V(f))##.

Does that help?
 
milesyoung said:
Ah, you mean the amplitude spectrum, e.g:

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But that's just a plot of ##|V(f)|## over some interval of ##f##, i.e. it's a plot of the modulus of ##V(f)##. In some contexts, you also include the phase spectrum, which is just a plot of ##\arg(V(f))##.

Does that help?

I see. Yupp, I meant that. Haha. That was the diagram shown in my lecture notes, so I can link to it better. :)

Yes, and thank you so much for your help! :D I should be fine with my assignment now.
 

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