Liquid pressure in a closed system

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In a sealed steel cylinder filled with water at 3000 psi, a solid piston is introduced without allowing pressure relief. Initial calculations estimated the pressure to rise to 4429.9 psi after the piston entered 1 ft, but this was questioned as potentially too high. Another calculation suggested a pressure increase to approximately 3142 psi by considering the displaced volume and using a different approach. The discussion highlights the importance of accurately applying equations related to volume displacement and compressibility in closed systems. The need for clarity in calculations and assumptions is emphasized to ensure correct pressure estimations.
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Homework Statement


A steel cylinder filled with water contains 3000psi of pressure, completely sealed, walls ≈ infinite thick. No gas is present inside of the cylinder, and no heat exchange. To the problem; if a solid rod/piston enters on top of the cylinder with no possibilities to bleeding off the pressure, what will the pressure build up be if the rod enters the cylinder with 1 ft?

Height of cylinder 500ft, ID of cylinder 8,535in, OD of piston 4in, Temperature of water 333,15K→ Isothermal compressibility of water β= 3,0621e-6 [psi-1]


Homework Equations



β=(1/V)*(∂V/∂P)
F=P*A


The Attempt at a Solution


Volume before entering the the piston V1= 35,4bbl, after V2 = 35,384 bbl
Solved the above equation for P2 = P1 - ((V2-V1)/(V1*β)). This gave a new pressure inside the cylinder of 4429,9 psi.
I think this pressure is too high compared to the displaced volume that the piston occupies. I am a bit uncertain if the equation above is correct to use for this situation.

Please help, thank you.
 
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klk said:

Homework Statement


A steel cylinder filled with water contains 3000psi of pressure, completely sealed, walls ≈ infinite thick. No gas is present inside of the cylinder, and no heat exchange. To the problem; if a solid rod/piston enters on top of the cylinder with no possibilities to bleeding off the pressure, what will the pressure build up be if the rod enters the cylinder with 1 ft?

Height of cylinder 500ft, ID of cylinder 8,535in, OD of piston 4in, Temperature of water 333,15K→ Isothermal compressibility of water β= 3,0621e-6 [psi-1]


Homework Equations



β=(1/V)*(∂V/∂P)
F=P*A


The Attempt at a Solution


Volume before entering the the piston V1= 35,4bbl, after V2 = 35,384 bbl
Solved the above equation for P2 = P1 - ((V2-V1)/(V1*β)). This gave a new pressure inside the cylinder of 4429,9 psi.
I think this pressure is too high compared to the displaced volume that the piston occupies. I am a bit uncertain if the equation above is correct to use for this situation.

Please help, thank you.
Hi klk. Welcome to Physics Forums!

I calculate a pressure increase that's a factor of 10 lower than yours.
 
Thank you for the input, that actually helped me!

I simply added up the volume it takes to pressure up to 3000psi and the displaced volume from the piston -> dV.

P2 = dV/(V1*3,2e-6), which gave me a new pressure of 3142 approx..
 
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