# Homework Help: Magnetic field inside a ring

1. Jul 31, 2008

### mtr

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
A wire is reeled on a ring (radii $$R_{1}$$ and $$R_{2}$$). Find the induction of a magnetic field in the middle of the ring, if there is a current I through the wire and there are N waps. Waps are reeled very tightly in only 1 layer.

2. Relevant equations
$$H=\frac{IN}{l}$$
$$B=\mu H$$

3. The attempt at a solution
I tried to think about the ring as about one wap of a coil, however I have no idea how to figure out a current inside the ring. I also do not really understand in which part of this construction I should look for induction.

2. Aug 2, 2008

### Irid

The current inside the ring (or, more clearly, along the circumference) is given in your problem statement - it's $$I$$. The magnetic field in center can be calculated from Biot-Savart law:

$$d\mathbf{B} = \frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \frac{Id\mathbf{l}\times \mathbf{\hat{r}}}{r^2}$$

3. Aug 2, 2008

### Defennder

How exactly is it reeled? Does the wire follow the circular shape of the ring or does it pass through the hole repeatedly?

4. Aug 2, 2008

### mtr

The wire is reeled as tightly as possible and follows the circular shape of the ring.

Thanks for help, but I have one more question. I read, that Biot-Savart law behaves a little bit different, when the wire's size is important. Do you think I should use:
$$d\vec B = K_m \frac{ \vec j \times \mathbf{\hat r}} {r^2} dV$$?
I think it might be important, because in the task there are given $$R_{1}$$ and $$R_{2}$$, so I can actually count ring's volume. I am also not sure what to do, if the wire is isolated from the ring or the ring is not made from conductor, but e.g. from plastic etc.

5. Aug 2, 2008

### Irid

This is a good observation! Is the wire reeled along the circumference of the ring, or is it reeled around the ring to form a torus?

I supposed it was the former case. If the ring is of finite extent from R1 to R2, I think you should consider a plane current flowing uniformly in a strip from R1 to R2.

6. Aug 2, 2008

### Defennder

Well if the wire is reeled in that manner doesn't that reduce the setup to one of a current carrying solenoid?

7. Aug 2, 2008

### mtr

The wire forms a torus.

8. Aug 2, 2008

### Irid

Usually one considers an isolated wire (metal wrapped around with plastic coating), so it doesn't matter what the ring is made of. If the wire wasn't isolated, it would short-circuit and you couldn't have N wounds.

9. Aug 2, 2008

### Defennder

Well, now you're saying it forms a torus. That corresponds to the wire passing through the ring hole repeatedly.

10. Aug 2, 2008

### mtr

OK, it forms a torus. For sure.

11. Aug 2, 2008

### Irid

In the torus case, you should use Ampere's law:

$$\oint \mathbf{B} \cdot d\mathbf{l} = \mu_0 I$$

where $$d\mathbf{l}$$ points around along the circumference of the torus. R1 probably is the radius of the torus, while R2 is the radius of the loop of current, or vice versa.

12. Aug 2, 2008

### mtr

So why do I need N - number of waps? Usually known data should be somehow used in such problems.
$$R_{1}$$ is the radius of a hole inside a ring and $$R_{2}$$ is the radius of the loop of current.

13. Aug 2, 2008

### Irid

In Ampere's law the current $$I$$ is the total current pierced by integration. In your case, the current in one loop is $$I$$, so the total is $$NI$$. Just change in the law $$I \rightarrow NI$$.

14. Aug 2, 2008

### Defennder

Another question on clarification, you want to find the B field within the solid ring itself or at the point in space corresponding the centre of the hole of the ring?

15. Aug 2, 2008

### mtr

I am looking for B at the point in the centre of the hole of the ring.

So actually in this case I should use $$B=\frac{\mu _{0} N I}{l}$$ ?

Last edited: Aug 2, 2008
16. Aug 2, 2008

### Defennder

Well, just think of it in terms Ampere's circuital law. Try to set up the closed line integral in a way which exploits the symmetry of the torus geometrically. You should be able to get a rough idea of what the magnitude of the B field should be.

The alternative, I think would be to evaluate the B-field directly in toroidal coordinates. Unfortunately I have no idea how to do so, and it does look horribly complicated:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ToroidalCoordinates.html

17. Aug 3, 2008

### Defennder

I think it's possible to do this by parametrising the space curve of the wire. From:
$$x = (1+a\cos(wt))\cos t$$
$$y = (1+a\cos(wt))\sin t$$
$$z = a\sin (wt)$$