Magnetic field lines in a ring magnet

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the magnetic field lines associated with hollow cylindrical ring magnets and their behavior when influenced by a current-carrying wire. Participants explore the characteristics of magnetic fields in various geometries, including the presence or absence of external magnetic fields and the visual representation of these fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that magnetizing a hollow cylindrical ring magnet with a straight current-carrying wire will create magnetic field lines running inside the cylinder, questioning whether there will be any magnetic field lines outside the iron body.
  • Another participant describes that drilling a hole through a bar magnet does not change its magnetic behavior, indicating that magnetic field lines will still circle around in the north-south plane and through the hole.
  • A participant raises a question about how the magnetic field lines would appear, noting that the domains run in a circular fashion within the magnet.
  • One participant proposes that if the ring is stretched into a tube, the field lines would stretch into ovals radiating around the circumference of the tube.
  • A later reply introduces an artistic perspective, expressing inspiration from the discussed field patterns and their potential for creative representation.
  • Another participant, Himanshu, explains that the magnetic field around the wire is a Biot-Savart field, noting that while the ring will be magnetized with this field orientation, there will still be a weak magnetic field outside the magnet due to the high reluctance of air compared to the iron ring.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the presence and characteristics of magnetic field lines outside the magnet, with some suggesting there will be none and others asserting that a weak field exists. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature and visualization of these magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions regarding the geometry of the magnets or the specific conditions under which the magnetic fields are being analyzed. The discussion includes varying interpretations of how magnetic fields manifest in different configurations.

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Say if I magnetize a hollow cylindrical ring magnet by placing a staight current carrying wire along its axis. It will be magnetized with magnetic field lines running inside the cylinder clockwise or anticlockwise! So there will be no magnetic field lines outside the iron body? If I have a cylindrical hollow magnet or a magnet made by attaching two horse shoe magnets with magnetic field lines running along its length then, will there be any magnetic field lines outside the magnet? I think there will be because iron particles placed outside will get attracted to it. But how will these lines look?
 
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If you take a round bar magnet and drill a hole thru the axis of nort to south. It will still behave like a bar magnet but it's geometry is like a cylinder. The magnetic field lines circle around in north south plane it and through the drilled hole too.

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here, the domain run in circular fashion within the body. How will the magnetic field lines look?
 

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This is the only orientation I have seen. If you stretch the ring into a tube the field lines would stretch into ovals across the length radiating around the circumference of the tube.
 
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This is somewhat off-topic, but I have to mention it. I've never seen that particular field pattern before. It reminds me so much of a spider that I'm inspired to seek out other physics phenomena that have secondary associations and make an art project of it.
 
Himanshu: The field around the wire is a Biot-Savart field and the ring will be magnetized with this field orientation. However, the Biot-Savart field extends to infinity so there will be a weak field outside of your magnet with the same orientation. The field is weak because of the high reluctance of air as compared to the iron ring.
 

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