Magnetic Field [Perpendicular wires]

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The discussion focuses on calculating the magnetic field and force between two perpendicular wires carrying current. The Biot-Savart Law is referenced, and the participant seeks clarification on whether they can use the known formula for the magnetic field created by an infinite wire instead of integrating. It is confirmed that the magnetic field can be calculated using the formula B = μI/2πr, where r is the distance between the wires. The participant is advised to integrate along the short wire to find the force acting on it, using the expression dF = I dL × B. The conversation emphasizes the efficiency of using established results rather than performing unnecessary integrations.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Biot-Savart Law: ## dB = μIdl/4πr^2
F = ILxB

The Attempt at a Solution



I have not tried to solve it. BUT, please check my approach. I want to make sure my method is correct and whether there is a flaw or no.

I am trying to set up an integral here. I am to integrate it from from ## d+L ## to ## d ##. To do so, I will ignore the current in ## I_2 ## while integrating. Then, once I found ## B ## created by ## I_1 ## (which is "into the plane." [Meaning force acting on ## I_2 ## is in the same direction as ## I_2 ##

What is wrong up until now?

Well, here I am not sure how to find F acting on ## I_2 ##... Does ## F = IL(dot)B ## work?

Thank you.
 

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I don't think you need to integrate along the infinite wire to find the magnetic field ##\vec{B}## it creates. You can just use the well-known result.

But you will need to integrate along the short wire, using the limits of integration you mentioned. Integrate

##d \vec{F}=I \ d \vec{L} \times \vec {B}##

to find the force.
 
Mister T said:
I don't think you need to integrate along the infinite wire to find the magnetic field ##\vec{B}## it creates. You can just use the well-known result.

But you will need to integrate along the short wire, using the limits of integration you mentioned. Integrate

##d \vec{F}=I \ d \vec{L} \times \vec {B}##

to find the force.

So, I can just use B = μI/2πr, where r is distance from wire 1 to wire 2, to find the Magnetic field that ## I_1 ## creating?

Can you shortly explain the reason behind not integrating to find ## B ##? I am not quite clear on that...
 
Antonius said:
So, I can just use B = μI/2πr, where r is distance from wire 1 to wire 2, to find the Magnetic field that ## I_1 ## creating?
The distance from (the closest point along) Wire 1 to each differential element ##d \vec{L}## in Wire 2, yes.

Can you shortly explain the reason behind not integrating to find ## B ##? I am not quite clear on that...
Integrating along the infinitely-long Wire 1 to determine the magnetic field ##\vec {B}## will result in the well-known expression ##\frac{\mu_oI}{2 \pi r}## for its magnitude. You will then have to use that result to perform the other integration (the one I described in my first post) to find ##\vec{F}##. I don't think it's your prof's intention that you do both integrals as the first one is found in every textbook.
 
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