Magnification equation problem

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The problem involves understanding the magnification produced by a concave mirror when an object is positioned closer to the mirror than its focal point. The original poster is exploring the relationship between object distance, image distance, and magnification.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve the problem by substituting values into the mirror equations and calculating magnification. Some participants suggest using a ray diagram to visualize the situation, while others clarify the magnification formula.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the magnification results, with some participants affirming the original poster's conclusion and others providing additional context about the nature of images produced by concave mirrors. There is an acknowledgment of differing answers and a collaborative effort to clarify the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the signs of image distance and magnification, as well as the implications of the mirror's properties on the image produced.

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Homework Statement


When an object is closer to a concave mirror than the mirror's focal point the...
(a) Magnification is more than 1
(b) Magnification is less than 1

Homework Equations


M = -Si/S
1 / f = (1 / S) + (1 / Si)

M = Magnification
S = Distance between object and mirror
Si = Distance between image and mirror
f = Distance between focal point and mirror

The Attempt at a Solution


I an attempt to solve this problem i simply plugged in values where S<f, in this case i'll use S=1 and f=2.

Plugging these values into the second equation i receive: 1/2 = (1/1) + (1/Si). From this equation i get Si=-2, and then plugging S=1 and Si=-2 into the second equation i get: M = -(-2/1) which is M = 2.

If M=2 this leads me to believe that the answer to this question is (a), but according to the answers provided it should be (b). I really can't figure out where I've made a mistake. Any help would be much appreciated :)
 
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Yes, I think (a) is correct.
Try drawing a principal-ray diagram to convince yourself.
 
The magnification should be

M = - Si/S
 
Sorry, i believe i wrote that the wrong way round but i used M = -Si/S in my solution
 
I've edited it now, but i still have the same problem in that the answer i have isn't the same as the answer provided
 
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Concave mirrors are used to shave or put on makeup since they produce virtual (Si negative and thus on the other side of the mirror) enlarged upright images as you found by a positive (upright image) larger than 1 (enlarged) magnification (image larger than object).
 
Ok, turns out my answer was right. Thanks for your help everyone :)
 

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