Making Dry Ice at Home: Pressure & Temperature Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of making dry ice at home, specifically focusing on the deposition point of CO2, the pressures involved in solidifying CO2, and the temperature conditions necessary for this process. Participants explore the relationship between pressure and temperature in the context of using a fire extinguisher to produce dry ice.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the deposition point of CO2 and whether it can occur at room temperature, suggesting that the process is not at room temperature and that liquid CO2 is under high pressure in a fire extinguisher.
  • Another participant asserts that the process occurs at approximately 1 atm, but does not clarify the temperature conditions for solidification.
  • A later reply confirms that the process involves a drop in pressure to 1 atm when the liquid CO2 is discharged, leading to boiling and cooling, but does not resolve the confusion about the solidification pressure.
  • One participant states that while the initial understanding is mostly correct, the exact temperature drop during the process is difficult to calculate, emphasizing the need for the temperature to be at least at the sublimation temperature for dry ice.
  • Another participant introduces the phase diagram of CO2, explaining that at 1 atm, only solid and gaseous CO2 exist, and provides specific temperature limits for dry ice at different pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the pressure and temperature conditions necessary for the formation of dry ice, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the phase diagram of CO2 to clarify the conditions under which dry ice can form, but there are unresolved questions regarding the specific pressures and temperatures involved in the process.

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what is Deposition, also known as desublimation, point of CO2 is it room temperature? i don't think so then how can we obtain this at room temperature as in this video and what pressure is required to solidify co2,is it 1 atm ?i don't think so then how we obtain this in a room as in above mentioned video.
i have searched a lot and came to know that
The process is not at room temperature .The extinguisher contains liquid CO2 at room temperature and several atmospheres pressure. When it is discharged the pressure drops to one atmosphere and, as it falls, the liquid boils. The heat of vaporization greatly cools the expanding CO2 and it solidifies.is this much right?and i am still confused about pressure.When high pressure CO2 liquid is discharged the pressure drops to one atmosphere ,but what is the pressure when CO2 solidifies ?1 atm?how?
 
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Process takes place at approximately 1 atm.
 
Borek said:
Process takes place at approximately 1 atm.
thanks .you mean when dry ice is formed from fire extinguisher pressure is1 atm.and what about temperature?he process is not at room temperature .The extinguisher contains liquid CO2 at room temperature and several atmospheres pressure. When it is discharged the pressure drops to one atmosphere and, as it falls, the liquid boils. The heat of vaporization greatly cools the expanding CO2 and it solidifies.is this much right?
 
You are mostly right. How far the temperature drops is not easy to calculate, but we know it has to be at least sublimation temperature for the dry ice.

Please pay attention to punctuation, as at the moment your posts are annoyingly difficult to read. There should be a space after every punctuation mark, and phrases should start with a capital letter.
 
Borek said:
You are mostly right. How far the temperature drops is not easy to calculate, but we know it has to be at least sublimation temperature for the dry ice.

Please pay attention to punctuation, as at the moment your posts are annoyingly difficult to read. There should be a space after every punctuation mark, and phrases should start with a capital letter.
Thanks. From now onwards i will take care of my punctuations.
 
We need the phase diagram to understand what's going on...

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So...the fire extinguisher is at room temperature, let's say 31C...If we follow the temp line up we see the pressure in the cylinder is 72.9 Atm... the cylinder contains liquid CO2 and gaseous CO2.

When the fire extinguisher is operated the liquid exits the cylinder and finds itself at 1 Atm. it boils , giving off CO2 gas and rapidly cools .
At 1Atm only solid and gaseous CO2 exist. Same at 5 Atm., but if we did this on a planet with 6Atm. pressure we get liquid and gaseous CO2 and perhaps some solid CO2.

At 1Atm dry ice cannot be hotter than -78.5C and at 5.1 Atm. dry ice cannot be hotter than -56.7C

All your questions can be answered by carefully studying the phase diagram.
 
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