Mass and Traveling at the Speed of Light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between mass and the ability to travel at the speed of light, exploring concepts from physics such as energy, momentum, and the nature of light. Participants examine the implications of mass in the context of light as a wave and its energy properties, as well as the definitions of mass in different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is true that zero mass is required to travel at the speed of light, noting the apparent contradiction with light being a wave that contains energy, which is related to mass through E=mc^2.
  • Another participant clarifies that energy and mass are not interchangeable, emphasizing that mass is a form of energy and that momentum must also be conserved when discussing energy transformations.
  • A different participant points out the dual meanings of mass in common usage, explaining that while a photon has no rest mass, it still possesses mass in the context of relativity and that particles with nonzero rest mass cannot reach the speed of light.
  • Some participants assert that light has mass, specifically zero rest mass, while also suggesting that a system of photons may have nonzero rest mass depending on their momenta.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of mass in relation to light, with some agreeing that light has zero rest mass while others discuss the implications of mass in different contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretations of mass and its relationship to light and speed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of definitions surrounding mass and energy, particularly in the context of relativity and the behavior of light. There are unresolved nuances regarding the implications of mass in different scenarios, such as individual photons versus systems of photons.

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I have read somewhere that you need to have zero mass to be able to travel at the speed of light; is this true? Also, light is a wave, waves contain energy, and energy and mass are interchangeable according to E=mc^2, so wouldn't light have mass and thus contradict the first statement?

Thank you for answering.
 
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Energy and mass are not interchangeable. Mass is one form of energy. However, in switching back and forward between mass and other forms of energy, you also must conserve momentum. It is for this reason that you can't just consider energy in any form to be the same as mass.

Light carries both energy and momentum. And, with some work, you can show (starting from Maxwell's equations) that the momentum carried by light is related to its energy by E = |\vec{p}| c.

For a particle with mass, the relationship is more complicated, since the particle's mass also contributes to its total energy: E^2 = |\vec{p}|^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4.
 
A problem here is that the word mass as is commonly used in speech actually has two meanings. A photon is said to have no rest mass; that is, if a photon were stopped its mass would be equal to zero. But it does have mass due to relativity. Particles with nonzero rest mass cannot accelerate to the speed of light. Also, it seems to me that with no rest mass the particle has no choice but to move at the speed of light.
 
Yes … light has mass … but it has zero rest mass. :smile:
 
Thanks for answering my questions, everyone. :)
 
tiny-tim said:
Yes … light has mass … but it has zero rest mass. :smile:
Note that a single photon always has a zero rest mass but a system of photons may have a non zero rest mass, it depends on their individual momenta.
 

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