Mass of a picture in static equilibrium

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An artist needs to apply a force of at least 75N at a 45° angle to keep a picture in static equilibrium, with a friction coefficient of 0.30. The discussion revolves around setting up equilibrium equations to determine the mass of the picture, focusing on the forces acting in both the x and y directions. The correct expression for the normal force (FN) is crucial, as it should be based on the x component of the applied force, not including mass. Participants clarify that gravity only acts in the y direction, affecting the force of gravity and friction but not the normal force directly. Ultimately, the realization is made that incorporating a mass term in the normal force equation is unnecessary, as the force has already been defined.
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Homework Statement


An artist must push with a minimum of 75N at an angle of 45° to a picture to hold it in equilibrium. The coefficient of friction between the wall and the picture frame is 0.30. What is the mass of the picture?

Homework Equations


ΣF=0
Ffr=μFN
F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I set up an equilibrium equation of the y components of all the forces to find the mass. the y components would be, the force of gravity acting on the picture, the force of friction between the picture and the wall, and the y component of the applied force of the artist on the picture. Making the up forces equal to the down forces, you should get, Fappsin(45)=Fg-Ffr. Plugging in values into the known variables you should get, 75sin(45)=m(9.8)-(0.3)m(75sin(45). I factored out m and divided both sides by everything in the brackets to solve for m, obviously though I didn't get the answer.
 
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The problem is how the equation for the force of friction was used. The correct form is
$$F_{fr}=\mu F_{N}$$
where ##F_{N}## is the normal force between the picture and the wall.
 
NFuller said:
The problem is how the equation for the force of friction was used. The correct form is
$$F_{fr}=\mu F_{N}$$
where ##F_{N}## is the normal force between the picture and the wall.
Yeah sorry, I realized the proper term would be FN, but it wouldn't matter because the normal force would still be 75sin(45) since the x component of 75N would be the normal force acting on the picture.
 
It matters because there is no mass term in the expression for ##F_{N}##.
 
NFuller said:
It matters because there is no mass term in the expression for ##F_{N}##.
I'm confused, isn't the expression for FN=mass x gravity, where gravity is the x component of the applied force?
 
Gravity only operates in the y direction, so it cannot produce a force in the x direction. Here ##F_{N}## is the x component of the force applied by the person pushing the painting against the wall.
 
NFuller said:
Gravity only operates in the y direction, so it cannot produce a force in the x direction. Here ##F_{N}## is the x component of the force applied by the person pushing the painting against the wall.
The x component is going to be still 75sin(45) since it's a 45 degree. I could use 75cos(45) but cos(45) and sin(45) are the same value it doesn't matter which trig function I use. I'm just baffled because everything seems right to me.
 
Your work says
$$F_{N}=m*75\sin(45)$$
There is no mass term. It should be
$$F_{N}=75\cos(45)$$
 
NFuller said:
Your work says
$$F_{N}=m*75\sin(45)$$
There is no mass term. It should be
$$F_{N}=75\cos(45)$$
Oh wow it just hit me, haha I feel so dumb. Since the force has already been given by 75sin(45), a mass term would be ridiculous.
 
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