Mass-radius relation of a white dwarf - calculating radius

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the radius of a 1.3 solar mass white dwarf using the mass-radius relation specific to white dwarfs. Participants are exploring the implications of the mass-radius relation and its application to the problem at hand.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the mass-radius relation and its proportionality, with attempts to manipulate the equation to find the radius. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the initial calculations and the assumptions made about the constants involved.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with some participants suggesting that the perceived incorrectness of the answer may stem from a misprint or misunderstanding of the mass-radius relation. Others emphasize the need to clarify the assumptions regarding the constants used in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the mass-radius relation is approximate and may require refinement, and there is a discussion about the relevance of using the Sun as a reference point in this context.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the radius of a 1.3 Msun white dwarf using the mass-radius relation for white dwarfs. Give the answer in solar radius.

Homework Equations


Mass-radius relation: $$R \propto M^{-\frac{1}{3}}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


So I've tried the following:
$$R_{D} \propto M_{D}^{-\frac{1}{3}} \Rightarrow \frac {R_{D}} {R_{sun}} = \frac{M_{D}^{-\frac{1}{3}}} {M_{sun}^{-\frac{1}{3}}} \Rightarrow R_{D} = \frac{M_{D}^{-\frac{1}{3}}} {M_{sun}^{-\frac{1}{3}}} R_{sun}$$
$$ \Rightarrow R_{D} = \left( {\frac {1.3 M_{sun}} {M_{sun}}} \right) ^{-\frac{1}{3}} R_{sun} = \left( 1.3 \right) ^{-\frac{1}{3}} R_{sun} $$

This gives me an answer of about ##0.916~{R_{sun}}## , which is incorrect. Where am I going wrong here?

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Start with ##M_{Sun}^{1/3}R_{Sun}=M_{D}^{1/3}R_{D}## and replace ##M_D=1.3M_{Sun}##. The algebra is less confusing when you eliminate the proportionality constant.
 
kuruman said:
Start with ##M_{Sun}^{1/3}R_{Sun}=M_{D}^{1/3}R_{D}## and replace ##M_D=1.3M_{Sun}##. The algebra is less confusing when you eliminate the proportionality constant.

That's a fair point - though I get the same result:

$$ \left( M_{sun} \right) ^\frac {1}{3} R_{sun} = \left( M_{D} \right) ^{\frac {1}{3}} R_D $$
$$ \Rightarrow R_D = \left( \frac {M_{sun}} {M_D} \right) ^{\frac{1}{3}} R_{sun} $$
$$ \Rightarrow R_D = \left( \frac {1}{1.3} \right) ^{\frac {1}{3}} R_{sun} = \left( 1.3 \right) ^{-\frac {1}{3}} R_{sun} $$
 
At this point you need to question why you think that the answer is incorrect. What you think is the correct answer may be a misprint or a miscalculated answer by whoever gave it to you. The only other thing I can think of is the starting equation which is approximate and may have to be refined.
 
kuruman said:
At this point you need to question why you think that the answer is incorrect. What you think is the correct answer may be a misprint or a miscalculated answer by whoever gave it to you. The only other thing I can think of is the starting equation which is approximate and may have to be refined.

Perhaps the problem is that the sun is not a white dwarf?
 
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Dick said:
Perhaps the problem is that the sun is not a white dwarf?
Perhaps, but the problem clearly states that you should use "the mass-radius relation for white dwarfs."

I am sorry, but my resources regarding this question have been exhausted. I took a single astrophysics course several decades ago and I have reached the point where I can no longer help you. Perhaps someone else may be able to step in.
 
kuruman said:
Perhaps, but the problem clearly states that you should use "the mass-radius relation for white dwarfs."

I am sorry, but my resources regarding this question have been exhausted. I took a single astrophysics course several decades ago and I have reached the point where I can no longer help you. Perhaps someone else may be able to step in.

It's not really an serious astrophysics point. The mass-radius relation gives you a proportionality. To get the constant of proportionality you need an example mass and radius of a white dwarf. The sun isn't one.
 
Hint: Sirius B is a pretty well known example of a white dwarf :wink:
 

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