Mass-spring system with friction

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The discussion revolves around a mass-spring system experiencing friction as a mass slides and compresses a spring on a horizontal table. The problem involves applying work-energy principles to derive relationships involving the spring constant, kinetic friction, and other variables.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using the work-energy relation to derive expressions for the coefficient of friction and the spring constant. There are inquiries about alternative approaches and the application of relevant formulas.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights about kinetic energy, potential energy of the spring, and the work done by friction. There is a mix of ideas being explored, particularly regarding the calculations for work done by friction and its implications for the overall problem.

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Participants are considering the effects of friction and the specifics of the mass-spring interaction, including the distances involved during compression and rebound. The problem is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment, prompting careful consideration of assumptions and definitions.

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A mass M slides across a horizontal table. It collides with a spring, compresses the spring, and then the mass-spring system rebounds. This system can be used to find the spring constant k. When the mass first hits the spring at x = 0, it has speed v0.

a.) Let the coefficient of kinetic friction be μk. Assume that the spring plus mass compresses to a distance l, rebounds, and stops when it returns to x = 0, having compressed the spring only once. Use the work-energy relation, Wnon-cons = ΔPE + ΔKE to find the required coefficient of friction μk in terms of l, v0 and g.

b.) Next, consider just half the cycle, with the mass starting out with speed v0 at position x = 0, and stopping (for an instant) at x = l. Use the work-energy relation once again to find a relation between k, l, v0, μk, and g.

c.) Use the results of parts (a) and (b) to solve for the spring constant k in terms of v0, μk, and g.
 
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How would you think to go about solving it other than putting it here for someone else to solve?
 
Yes, very interesting.
Any ideas? Formulas you might be able to use?
 
Well i know that KE is equal to 1/mv^2 and the potential energy of a spring is equal to 1/2kl^2. The work done by friction is going to be equal to μkmgl
 
Won't the work done by friction be 2*μk*m*g*l ? (Twice the distance - to compression and back to equilibrium.)

So maybe add it all up and solve for μk?
 

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