Mass suspended from spring in ship - Gravity problem

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around the effects of a ship's velocity on the reading of a spring balance for a mass suspended within it. The scale reading is expressed as wo = (1 ± 2ωv/g), where ω is the Earth's angular speed, and the ± sign indicates that the reading varies based on the ship's direction relative to Earth's rotation. The centripetal force due to Earth's rotation and the ship's velocity must be considered, leading to the conclusion that the effective weight changes depending on whether the ship is moving with or against the Earth's rotation. The derivation of the equation involves balancing gravitational and centripetal forces and simplifies using the binomial expansion. Understanding this relationship clarifies how the ship's motion influences the perceived weight of the mass.
mtong
Messages
33
Reaction score
0
Hello all just a quick question,


A mass is suspended from a spring balance in a ship sailing along the equator with a speed v.
(a) Show that the scale reading will be very close to wo = (1 ± 2ωv/g), where ω is the angular
speed of Earth, and wo is the weight of the mass with the ship at rest.
(b) Explain the ± sign
.


I have wrapped my head around the question but am having trouble coming up with the given equation.
-The weight of the mass at rest will be equal to mg- the centripetal force of the rotating earth.
-The weight of the mass when the ship is sailing will be close to wo, but differ depending of the direction the ship is sailing, hence the ±.
-As this is the case I recognize that the velocity when calculating the centripetal force on the mass will be ω±v/r.

What I do not see is how 1 came into 1 ± 2ωv/g, nor where the mass or radius went

Thank you for any help,
Lucas
 
Physics news on Phys.org
mtong said:
Hello all just a quick question,


A mass is suspended from a spring balance in a ship sailing along the equator with a speed v.
(a) Show that the scale reading will be very close to wo = (1 ± 2ωv/g), where ω is the angular
speed of Earth, and wo is the weight of the mass with the ship at rest.
(b) Explain the ± sign
.


I have wrapped my head around the question but am having trouble coming up with the given equation.
-The weight of the mass at rest will be equal to mg- the centripetal force of the rotating earth.
-The weight of the mass when the ship is sailing will be close to wo, but differ depending of the direction the ship is sailing, hence the ±.
-As this is the case I recognize that the velocity when calculating the centripetal force on the mass will be ω±v/r.

What I do not see is how 1 came into 1 ± 2ωv/g, nor where the mass or radius went
Your approach is right. The vector sum of the spring force and gravity has to equal the centripetal force. Where v &lt;&lt; \omega R you can use the binomial expansion and eliminate the higher order term. The radius is implicit in \omega = v_{earth}/R[/tex]. It might be useful to think in terms of \omega R \pm v = R(\omega \pm \Delta \omega).<br /> <br /> The answer: 1 ± 2ωv/g is the acceleration. Multiply by m to give the normal force or weight read by the scale.<br /> <br /> AM
 
Last edited:


Hello Lucas,

Thank you for your question. Let me try to explain the given equation and the ± sign.

First, let's consider the weight of the mass when the ship is at rest. As you mentioned, it will be equal to mg - the centripetal force of the rotating Earth. This centripetal force is given by F = mv^2/r, where m is the mass, v is the velocity of the ship, and r is the radius of the Earth.

Now, let's consider the weight of the mass when the ship is sailing. In this case, the weight will be close to wo, but it will differ depending on the direction the ship is sailing. This is because the ship's velocity will either add to or subtract from the Earth's rotation velocity, ω. This is why we have the ± sign in the equation.

To understand where the 1 ± 2ωv/g comes from, we need to look at the forces acting on the mass when the ship is sailing. We have the weight of the mass, mg, acting downwards, and the centripetal force, mv^2/r, acting outwards. In order for the mass to remain suspended from the spring balance, these two forces must balance each other out. This can be represented by the equation: mg = mv^2/r.

Now, let's substitute the value of the centripetal force, mv^2/r, in the equation with the given value for v/r, which is ω±v/r. This gives us mg = m(ω±v/r)^2/r. Simplifying this equation, we get mg = m(ω^2 ± 2ωv/r + v^2/r^2). Now, we can see that the only term that depends on the ship's velocity, v, is 2ωv/r. This is where the 1 ± 2ωv/g comes from. And since the weight of the mass at rest, wo, is equal to mg, we can write the equation as wo = m(1 ± 2ωv/g)g, which is the same as the given equation.

I hope this explanation helps you understand the given equation and the ± sign. Let me know if you have any further questions. Good luck!
 
Thread 'Collision of a bullet on a rod-string system: query'
In this question, I have a question. I am NOT trying to solve it, but it is just a conceptual question. Consider the point on the rod, which connects the string and the rod. My question: just before and after the collision, is ANGULAR momentum CONSERVED about this point? Lets call the point which connects the string and rod as P. Why am I asking this? : it is clear from the scenario that the point of concern, which connects the string and the rod, moves in a circular path due to the string...

Similar threads

Back
Top