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The discussion revolves around the topic of observables in mathematical quantum field theory, particularly focusing on fermionic fields and the definitions and properties of observables. Participants address typographical errors in a related post and engage in a technical examination of the implications of these definitions.

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  • One participant identifies a typo regarding the notation for linear off-shell observables, suggesting that an "=" sign is missing.
  • Another participant raises questions about the definition of observables on fermionic fields, specifically regarding the nature of points in the context of observables and the mapping from ##\mathbb{R}^{0|1}## to observables.
  • A later reply acknowledges an error in a previous comment about fermionic observables, clarifying that global points of the Dirac field's space of field histories yield the zero linear observable for fermions, while even powers are observable.
  • Further contributions suggest additional typographical corrections and clarify the relationship between bosonic and fermionic observables, noting that a bosonic observable of even degree is regarded as odd-degree in a specific context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of observables in the context of fermionic fields, as there are differing views on the implications of the definitions and the nature of the mappings involved. The discussion includes corrections and clarifications but remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these definitions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the nature of points in the space of observables and the implications of the mappings discussed. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions and the potential for varying interpretations of observables.

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Typo near "linear off-shell observables": $$A(\Phi_1+\Phi_2) ~ A(\Phi_1)+A(\phi_2)$$ I.e., "=" sign is missing, and 2nd phi is lower case.

And further down... "field field histories"

Also: "...in that that subset of field histories..."
 
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strangerep said:
Typo

Thanks! All fixed now.
 
Another typo: hiorizontal
 
strangerep said:
Another typo

Thanks again! Also fixed now.
 
I have troubles with the comment about observables on fermionic fields (under the definition of observables)
1. Why ##Obs = [\Gamma_\Sigma(E_{odd}) , \mathbb{C}]## has only 1 point?

I assume that when we talk about "points", we're using ##Obs(\mathbb{R}^0) ##. However,
$$
\begin{align*}
Obs(\mathbb{R}^0) &= \{\mathbb{R}^0 \rightarrow Obs \} \\
&= \{\mathbb{R}^0 \rightarrow [\Gamma_\Sigma(E) , \mathbb{C}] \}\\
&= \{\mathbb{R}^0 \times \Gamma_\Sigma(E) \rightarrow \mathbb{C} \} \\
&= \{\Gamma_\Sigma(E) \rightarrow \mathbb{C} \}
\end{align*}
$$
(this is true for both ##E = E_{even}## and ##E=E_{odd}##.) We know that ##\Gamma_\Sigma(E_{odd})## has only 1 "point" (the zero-section), and so hand-wavvily I would assume that there are several morphisms going from that unique "point" to ##\mathbb{C}## which correspond to several "points" in ##Obs = [\Gamma_\Sigma(E_{odd}) , \mathbb{C}]##.

2. What is the map ##(\theta \mapsto \theta A): \mathbb{R}^{0|1} \rightarrow Obs ##? (The notation seems suggesting but I could not yield any conclusion.)

I am inclined to think this is an extension/consequence of the correspondence between a morphism ##\psi_{(-)}:\mathbb{R}^{0|1} \rightarrow \Gamma_\Sigma(E_{odd}) ## and a morphism ##\phi_{(-)}:\mathbb{R}^{0} \rightarrow \Gamma_\Sigma(E_{even}) ##, but I haven't been successful to see how.
 
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Duong said:
I have troubles with the comment about observables on fermionic fields (under the definition of observables)

Thanks for catching this. Indeed this comment was wrong as stated. I was trying to say that these global points of the space of field histories of the Dirac field always yield the zero linear observable for the fermions (i.e cannot observe ##\mathbf{\Psi}^\alpha(x)##), but of course they do see the even powers, such as ##\mathbf{\Psi}^\alpha(x) \cdot \mathbf{\Psi}^\beta(x)##. I have corrected the statement in that comment and added a new example that says this in some detail, now here
 
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Thanks! I think I got what you meant. Then perhaps still in that comment there're a few typos:

1. The plot ##\mathbb{R}^{0|1} \rightarrow Obs## should be specified by ## c\mapsto \theta \mathbf{\Psi}^\alpha##.
2. (in the line below) The bosonic-observable component should be ## \mathbf{\Psi}^\alpha ## instead of ##\Pi##.

I think it is useful to add that the bosonic observable which originally is of even degree now is regarded as of odd-degree (so that ##\theta \mathbf{\Psi}^\alpha ## is of even degree), and this fact is made possible by Prop. 3.51. Also, I think it is very nice to keep the mentioning of "the zero linear observable" if we insist on thinking of the observables as "points".
 
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Duong said:
Then perhaps still in that comment there're a few typos:

Right, thanks again. Should be fixed now.
 

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