Maximum Compression of Spring in Spring Loaded Collision

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A cart with a mass of 3 kg and a spring constant of 46 N/m collides with a stationary cart of 8 kg, and the maximum spring compression is being calculated. The initial mechanical energy in the center of mass frame was determined to be 8.55 J, which should equal the potential energy stored in the spring at maximum compression. The user initially calculated the spring compression as 0.61 m, but later realized that the total energy in the center of mass frame results in zero compression due to momentum conservation. The discussion highlights the importance of analyzing energy and momentum in the center of mass frame to solve the problem correctly. The final conclusion is that the maximum compression of the spring is zero.
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Homework Statement


A cart of mass m = 3 kg carrying a spring of spring constant k = 46 N/m and moving at speed v = 2.8 m/s hits a stationary cart of mass M = 8 kg. Assume all motion is along a line. What is the maximum amount the spring will be compressed?

Homework Equations


PEspring=0.5kx2
KEinitial=0.5mv2

The Attempt at a Solution


A previous part of this question asked me to calculate the mechanical energy in the center of mass frame, which I correctly found to be 8.55 J. I then had to find the total potential energy of the system when the spring is fully compressed, which I correctly calculated to also be 8.55 J. But when I plug this into the spring energy equation, the value I get for x is apparently incorrect.

0.5(46)x2=8.55 -> x=0.61

I must be missing a step here. Anyone see what I did wrong?
 
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moonbase said:

Homework Statement


A cart of mass m = 3 kg carrying a spring of spring constant k = 46 N/m and moving at speed v = 2.8 m/s hits a stationary cart of mass M = 8 kg. Assume all motion is along a line. What is the maximum amount the spring will be compressed?

Homework Equations


PEspring=0.5kx2
KEinitial=0.5mv2

The Attempt at a Solution


A previous part of this question asked me to calculate the mechanical energy in the center of mass frame, which I correctly found to be 8.55 J. I then had to find the total potential energy of the system when the spring is fully compressed, which I correctly calculated to also be 8.55 J. But when I plug this into the spring energy equation, the value I get for x is apparently incorrect.

0.5(46)x2=8.55 -> x=0.61

I must be missing a step here. Anyone see what I did wrong?

How incorrect was your answer?
By my calculation, there was only about 7.15 J of energy stored in the spring? I may have been wrong - I did not have access to a calculator and couldn't be bothered using excel.
 
The program doesn't tell me how far off I am, but it told me that 8.55 in indeed correct for the spring's energy. Though when I inquire about it, it says "Look at this in the center of mass frame and consider how there is 8.55 J of mechanical energy. What does this say about the velocity of the carts in the center of mass frame when the spring is fully compressed?"

I can't seem to find the problem, I tested it and know it's not a sig fig issue.
 
moonbase said:
The program doesn't tell me how far off I am, but it told me that 8.55 in indeed correct for the spring's energy. Though when I inquire about it, it says "Look at this in the center of mass frame and consider how there is 8.55 J of mechanical energy. What does this say about the velocity of the carts in the center of mass frame when the spring is fully compressed?"

I can't seem to find the problem, I tested it and know it's not a sig fig issue.

If you ignore the reference to the centre of mass frame, and proceed in the usual way, you can calculate the energy before - only the 3 is moving - then use concervation of momentum to find the common velocity that occurs when the spring is at maximum compression. From that find the Kinetic energy at the time. You then know how much energy is stored in the spring.
I didn't get 8.55 [as I said without a calculator so I may have slipped].
If the answer is different, and leads to the correct compression there is an interesting puzzle to ponder.
 
Yea I tried that too, the kinetic energy being 11.76 J and the compression being 0.715 m, but that didn't work either. It also didn't accept it when I tried it with what you calculated (0.558 m) so I'm really not sure what's wrong here. If it helps, here's how I got 8.55:

vcm=[3(2.8)+8(0)]/(3+8)=0.7636 m/s
v1,cm=2.8-0.7636=2.036 m/s
v2,cm=0-0.7636=-0.7636 m/s
KEtotal=0.5(3)(2.0362)+0.5(8)(-0.76362)=8.55
 
Nevermind, I realized that the answer is zero. The compression in the center of mass frame is like momentum, the total is zero because the values of both sides cancel out. Thanks for your help though!
 
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