Maxwell Tensor Identity Explained: Deriving Formula 8.23 in Schawrtz's Book

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving formula 8.23 from Schwartz's book, which involves the expansion of the square of the Maxwell tensor. Participants explore the mathematical manipulation required to achieve this derivation, focusing on tensor manipulation and integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula from Schwartz and expresses difficulty in deriving it without extra terms.
  • Another participant suggests that integrating by parts while keeping terms under the integral may help in the derivation.
  • A different participant asserts that tensor manipulation alone is insufficient for this derivation, indicating the necessity of integration by parts.
  • One participant notes that the equality in the formula is valid only modulo a total derivative, implying that there are subtleties in the derivation process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for deriving the formula, with some advocating for integration by parts and others questioning the sufficiency of tensor manipulation alone.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the derivation process and the implications of total derivatives in the equality presented.

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Hello,

In Schawrtz, Page 116, formula 8.23, he seems to suggest that the square of the Maxwell tensor can be expanded out as follows:

$$-\frac{1}{4}F_{\mu \nu}^{2}=\frac{1}{2}A_{\mu}\square A_{\mu}-\frac{1}{2}A_{\mu}\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}A_{\nu}$$

where:

$$F_{\mu\nu}=\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu} - \partial_{\nu}A_{\mu}$$

For the life of me, I can't seem to derive this. I get close, but always with an extra unwanted term, or two.

Anyone have a hint on the best way to proceed?

Thanks!
 
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... keeping it under the integral (of S) and differentiating by parts works out here. However, is there a way to achieve this with just tensor manipulation? I thought so, but I may not be remembering correctly.
 
dm4b said:
However, is there a way to achieve this with just tensor manipulation?

No, you need to integrate by parts. The equality sign there is a bit misleading.
 
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The equality is modulo a total derivative.
 
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