Measuring the Boltmann constant by the IV curve of a diode

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around measuring Boltzmann's constant (KB) using the current-voltage (IV) characteristics of a diode. Participants explore the implications of using the Shockley equation for diodes, the role of the ideality factor, and the accuracy of the experimental setup in determining KB.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experimental setup involving a diode and resistor, noting that their measured value for KB is approximately double the accepted value.
  • Another participant mentions their experience using diodes in log-response amplifiers, suggesting that diode characteristics can vary based on current levels.
  • A participant suggests that the discrepancy in the KB measurement could be due to not using the full equation, specifically omitting the ideality factor, which typically ranges from 1 to 2.
  • One participant confirms the existence of the ideality factor in the Shockley equation and notes that many in the class experienced similar discrepancies in their KB values.
  • Another participant explains that the ideality factor varies with forward voltage, indicating it may be close to one at high bias but could approach two at low bias, which aligns with the observed results.
  • Concerns are raised about the overall effectiveness of this method for accurately measuring KB, with some participants expressing skepticism about its utility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general agreement that the ideality factor plays a significant role in the measurement of KB, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness of the experimental method itself. Multiple competing views exist regarding the implications of the ideality factor and the accuracy of the measurements.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the omission of the ideality factor in the experimental setup and the potential variability of this factor based on the diode's operating conditions. There are unresolved questions about how to accurately determine the ideality factor for specific diodes.

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So the current through a diode as a function of applied voltage is:

I = I0 [ exp( V q / KB T) - 1 ]

where V is the voltage (independent variable), q is the charge of the electron (constant), T is temperature (constant over each trial), I0 is some parameter that's measured to be really tiny (I don't know why it exists, but I'm sure semiconductor theory can explain it), and KB is Boltzmann's constant.

The circuit I built was just a diode and a resister in series. A voltage sweep from 0 - 10V was applied. The voltage is measure before and after the resister, and Vapplied{/SUB] - Vdrop over the resister is V across the diode. I is determined by Ohm's law applied to the voltage drop across the resister.

So I fit the above equation to an I vs. V graph, and tried it with a bunch of temperatures and got several roughly equal values for KB, and did a weighted average over them. The problem is, it's almost exactly double the real value of KB.

My lab report has already been marked and handed back, and the mark was pretty good; the TA made a note saying: "This KB is exactly what you should've gotten with this experimental setup."

I totally don't understand what that means though. What might've gone wrong with my measurement technique? Or is this "mistake" actually intrinsic to the diode? The note certainly implied that the data analysis is all correct.
 
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I have used diodes (actually diode-connected npn transistors) for gain elements in log-response amplifiers (feedback element), and have had to keep the diode current in the 1 microamp range. I got a good log-response gain.
Bob S
 
I think the explanation is that that you are not using the full equation.
The equation for a real diode also involved an ideality factor which is in the range 1-2. This is probably the reason for your missing factor of 2.
 
Ah. I just looked up the Shockley equation, and indeed there is an ideality factor between 1 and 2 multiplying kB. The lab manual gave us the equation without that factor.. Bastards eh? A few other people in my class said they also got a kB value that's about twice the actual value.

In any case, for any specific diode, is it possible to determine its ideality factor? The article I was reading about the Shockley equation just said "in most situations, the ideality factor is assumed to be 1" with no further explanation. It seems that if that's not possible, then the this experiment can't really get more accurate than it is now, so this is a pretty awful way of measuring kB.
 
The ideality factor depends on the forward voltage, it is indeed close to one for large bias but that was presumably not the case in your setup (for low bias it is about 2 which is what you got).

But yes, as a method for measuring kb it is pretty useless.
 

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