Mirrors (concave) + questions on lens and mirrors

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The discussion focuses on calculating the image size of the moon using a concave mirror with a radius of curvature of 4.20 m and the moon's distance of 3.8 x 10^5 km. The formula 1/f = 1/do + 1/di is used to derive the image distance and height, leading to a calculated image height of -3.8 x 10^-5 km. Participants clarify the distinction between concave and convex mirrors, noting that concave mirrors have positive focal lengths while convex mirrors have negative focal lengths. The conversation also addresses confusion about focal lengths in various scenarios, emphasizing that a positive focal length for concave mirrors should be retained, while a positive focal length for convex mirrors indicates an error. Understanding these principles is crucial for success in related physics problems.
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1. The image of the moon is formed by a concave mirror whose radius of curvature is 4.20 m at a time when the moon's distance is 3.8 x 10^5 km. What is the diameter of the image of the moon if the diameter of the moon is 3480 km?



2. 1/f = 1/do + 1/di
M = hi/ho = - di/do




3. 1/f = 1/do + 1/di
di = dof/do - f
= 3.8 x 1065(0.0042)/3.8 x 10^5 - 0.0042
= 0.0042 km

hi/ho = - di/do
hi= ho (- di/do)
= 3480(-0.0042/3.8 x 10^5)
= -3.8 x 10^-5 km

I'm not sure if this is right. I also have some questions how do you know if it is concave or convex (lens/mirrors if the book doesn't say it), what's the difference between mirrors and lens, and how do you tell if its a converging lens or a diverging lens what's the difference between them. Thank You! :]
 
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4.2m is the radius of curvature, it is not the focal length. See your textbook for how f depends on R.

whitehorsey said:
I also have some questions how do you know if it is concave or convex (lens/mirrors if the book doesn't say it), what's the difference between mirrors and lens,
A lens works by refraction of transmitted rays, while a mirror works by reflection.

... and how do you tell if its a converging lens or a diverging lens what's the difference between them. Thank You! :] [/b]

We know this is a concave mirror because the problem statement says so.

More generally:

A positive focal length indicates a concave mirror, and convex or converging lens.

A negative focal length indicates a convex mirror, and concave or diverging lens.
 
Redbelly98 said:
4.2m is the radius of curvature, it is not the focal length. See your textbook for how f depends on R.


A lens works by refraction of transmitted rays, while a mirror works by reflection.



We know this is a concave mirror because the problem statement says so.

More generally:

A positive focal length indicates a concave mirror, and convex or converging lens.

A negative focal length indicates a convex mirror, and concave or diverging lens.

oh ok i see.
i have two more questions:
What happens if the problem says that it is a convex mirror and gives a positive focus do we change that to negative or if they give a negative focus do we change that to a positive?

What happens if your trying to solve for the focus on a concave mirror and get a positve focus do I change that to a negative or leave it as it is?

I'm kind of confused on this and I want to be able to understand it for my test tomorrow.
Thank You!
 
whitehorsey said:
oh ok i see.
i have two more questions:
What happens if the problem says that it is a convex mirror and gives a positive focus do we change that to negative or if they give a negative focus do we change that to a positive?
The focal length is negative for a convex mirror, so:
  • if they give a positive focus, change that to negative
  • if they give a negative focus, keep it as negative

What happens if your trying to solve for the focus on a concave mirror and get a positve focus do I change that to a negative or leave it as it is?
A concave mirror has a positive focal length, so if you get a positive focus keep it positive.
A convex mirror has a negative focus, so if you calculate a positive focus then something is wrong. Check your work.

I'm kind of confused on this and I want to be able to understand it for my test tomorrow.
Thank You!
You're welcome. Good luck!
 
Thank You again! :]
 
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