Moment reaction with rotation and offset CG

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The discussion revolves around a model involving a body in motion with an offset center of gravity (CG) and the calculation of moment reactions. The user initially verified their model with hand calculations but encountered significant discrepancies when adjusting the CG. They noted that while reaction forces changed as expected, their hand-calculated moment was 55% off from the program's prediction. The user is seeking clarification on whether additional reaction cross products are needed and how to account for the added rotation due to the offset CG. They express concern about their approach to the problem and are looking for guidance on accurately calculating the moment reactions.
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Hey folks,

I created and verified a model with hand calculations, and decided to re-use my same logic.. Which now is giving me false numbers. Was wondering if you guys could help me out.

Setup/Verification (See attached Reaction_Forces picture):
  • Body in motion being held down by straps.
  • Uniform Center of Gravity (CG) in model.
  • Reaction forces (in red) are found in top 4 corners, x,y,z for each.
  • Moment Force is verified by summing cross product of each force reaction (x,y,z) and its relative locations from body CG. Resulting moment is 0.5% off my program approximation. Great!
    • [reaction 1 cross product] + [R2 crossP] + [R3 crossP] + [R4 crossP] = One axis moment reaction. Perfect.
Problem (See attached NEW_CG):
  • Same body in motion. CG is now offset from exact middle of body. New CG.
  • Reaction forces adjust accordingly as expected. Nice.
  • Moment is predicted by program with a sizeable addition in one of the 3 axis.. Roughly equivalent total though.
  • Hand calculated Moment, using same method as above with cross product of reaction forces and relative locations from NEW CG, is completely wrong. 55% wrong.
    • Are there more than 4 reaction cross products now?
Is there something I'm not taking into account? The body is now rotating slightly, I understand there will be 2 axis forces for moment now.. But my hand calculations are so far off I feel like I'm missing something.

Any help would be appreciated!
 

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I presume the box is standing on something? I cannot see an upward reaction force.
 
I apologize, yes, there is a normal force reaction and the box is sliding across a frictionless floor.
 
Did I post this in the correct forum? I haven't been able to figure this out yet.. Approaching the problem correctly is my greatest concern. I don't know how to account for the added rotation of the box do to the offset center of gravity. Anybody have any advice for me?
 
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