More Forces with some trig; I don't know where the mistake is

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a mass on a frictionless table subjected to forces at angles, specifically focusing on the effects of these forces on acceleration. The original poster is tasked with determining the resultant acceleration when two forces are applied simultaneously, one at an angle and one parallel to the table.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to resolve the problem by calculating the components of the forces involved. Some participants question the clarity of the force descriptions and suggest the need for a force diagram. Others highlight the importance of considering both x and y components of the forces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the calculations and suggesting alternative methods for adding the forces. There is recognition of the need to clarify the problem setup and the forces involved, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not provide specific values for the forces, which may influence the calculations and understanding of the scenario.

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Homework Statement


Mass m sits on a frictionless, horizontal table. Assume:
- All vertical forces acting on m (such as gravity and the normal force) sum to zero.
- All applied forces act parallel to the table
When a force of magnitude F is applied to mass m, it accelerate at magnitude a = 4.49 m/s2.

NOTE: The axes lie along the table.

Suppose force F1 has magnitude 2F and points at 45 degrees to the x-axis. If forces F1 and F2, with a magnitude F, act on mass m at the same time, what will the magnitude of its acceleration be now?


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The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted to solve this by drawing a diagram, and F1 is pointing out at 45 degrees relative to the x-axis. I found its components, with the x-direction vector being 8.98cos(45) = 6.3498. F2 is already in that direction as well, so I just added the two vectors to get a sum of 10.8398. When I entered this answer as 10.84 into Webassign (online homework - I don't know who is familiar with it), it said that the answer is incorrect. Is it that I didn't put enough digits, or did I solve the problem incorrectly?
 
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hi iJamJL! welcome to pf! :smile:
iJamJL said:
I found its components, with the x-direction vector being 8.98cos(45) = 6.3498. F2 is already in that direction as well, so I just added the two vectors to get a sum of 10.8398. When I entered this answer as 10.84 …

but that's only the x-component of the total force …

what about the y-component? :wink:
 
your description is a bit confusing you probably need to draw a force diagram to show what you mean. You mention one force F that accelerates the m horizontally and then shift
into F1 and F2 which I thought were components of a second force but then I got lost when you said F1 has a magnitude of 2F and that F1 and F2 have a magnitude of F?
 


tiny-tim said:
hi iJamJL! welcome to pf! :smile:but that's only the x-component of the total force …

what about the y-component? :wink:

Thanks for the welcome!

Hm, I see what you mean, tiny-tim. Let me see if I can get this right.

You're saying that I've got the x-component down for the F1 where it is 8.98 as the resultant. The x-component becomes 6.3498, and the y-component becomes 6.348. I can then carry these both on with the 4.49 from F2, making the vectors like this:

-> 10.8398
^ 6.348

Then the resultant vectors, with the Pythagorean theorem, results to 12.5618. Is this correct?
 
jedishrfu said:
your description is a bit confusing you probably need to draw a force diagram to show what you mean. You mention one force F that accelerates the m horizontally and then shift
into F1 and F2 which I thought were components of a second force but then I got lost when you said F1 has a magnitude of 2F and that F1 and F2 have a magnitude of F?

They do not give any values for the forces. That is how the problem is given.
 
iJamJL said:
You're saying that I've got the x-component down for the F1 where it is 8.98 as the resultant. The x-component becomes 6.3498, and the y-component becomes 6.348. I can then carry these both on with the 4.49 from F2, making the vectors like this:

-> 10.8398
^ 6.348

yes, that's correct :smile:

(though it would be better, and easier, if you added the forces

2F/√2 + F and 2F/√2 :wink:)​
 
tiny-tim said:
yes, that's correct :smile:

(though it would be better, and easier, if you added the forces

2F/√2 + F and 2F/√2 :wink:)​

You lost me there, tiny-tim. LOL but I understand it the other way, so I guess we could let it rest. Thank you!
 

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