Need help finding a strange vector system expression.

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum tension in a string that pulls a toy cart with a block on top, preventing the block from sliding off. Key factors include the mass of the cart (M1), the block (M2), the coefficient of static friction (μ), and the ramp angle (θ). Participants emphasize the need to consider forces acting on the block, including static friction and gravitational forces due to the incline. The block's acceleration must match that of the cart, and the net force on the block must account for both static friction and gravitational components. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for deriving the required expression for maximum tension.
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Homework Statement


A toy cart of mass M1 moves on frictionless wheels as it is pulled by a string under tension T. A block of mass M2 rests on top of the cart. The coefficient of static friction between the block and cart is μ. The cart is moving up a ramp at angle θ. Find an expression for the maximum tension, T, that will not cause the block to slide off the cart.

No variables given, obviously, since I need to simplify an expression

Homework Equations



Fs = m μ
Weight = m g
I don't know any others, this is the problem.

The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to do the algebra to get an expression. I just don't know what formulas I can use to find the expression. I'm completely stumped. The entire setup with the cart is just odd to me, I've never seen anything like it. The tension in the string applies equally to the block on top of the cart yes? So I need to somehow find the maximum static friction force for the block?
 
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As long as the block M2 is not slipping the tension pulling the cart M1 will produce the same acceleration in both.

Draw an FBD for M2. What conditions must be met for it to remain non-slipping?
 
It has to have a net force of zero, yea?
 
Croix said:
It has to have a net force of zero, yea?

M2 will be accelerating along with the cart, so no, the net force won't be zero. But a certain pair of forces has to sum to zero.
 
The acceleration will equal the maximum static friction force.
 
Croix said:
The acceleration will equal the maximum static friction force.

Acceleration isn't a force, but you're starting to get the picture.

Keep in mind that acceleration isn't the only thing creating a force on the block. The cart is also traveling up a slope so gravity gets involved in the friction battle. :wink:
 
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