Need help finding center of mass of a molecule.

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The discussion focuses on calculating the center of mass of a nitric acid (HNO3) molecule by treating its atoms as particles. Participants clarify the use of coordinates and the significance of the y-axis, with some confusion about its presence and measurement. The correct formula for the center of mass is debated, with emphasis on including the masses and distances of hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. Ultimately, one participant successfully computes the center of mass, arriving at coordinates of 0.131 for x and 0 for y. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately determining atomic positions and understanding coordinate systems in molecular calculations.
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Figure below shows the shape of a nitric acid (HNO3)molecule and its dimensions. Treating the atoms as particles, findthe center of mass of this molecule.

a)I know that xcm=m1x1+m2x1+.../Total mass.
The total mass in this case is 63 but based on the picture I don't know which mass I should plug in for the x values.

b)ycm=0 because there is no y axis.
 

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The mass for every x value is the mass of the atom at that position.

What do you mean by "there is no y axis"?
 
so you mean for the 1st one 0.1 nm*1(mass of hydrogen)+0.141nm*16(mass of oxygen)/63?

theres no y-axis means there isn't an angle that goes 90 degrees.
 
Sneakatone said:
so you mean for the 1st one 0.1 nm*1(mass of hydrogen)+0.141nm*16(mass of oxygen)/63?

What about nitrogen?

theres no y-axis means there isn't an angle that goes 90 degrees.

There is a Y axis. And it is even clearly labeled as such.
 
a) 0.1 nm*1(mass of hydrogen)+0.141nm*16(mass of oxygen)+0.282*14(mass of nitrogen)/63
(should I use the two lengths by nitrogen 0.141nm+0.141nm or just 0.141nm*14g)?

b) the y-axis has a length of zero so when multiplied with the mass of oxygen it becomes zero.
 
Sneakatone said:
a) 0.1 nm*1(mass of hydrogen)+0.141nm*16(mass of oxygen)+0.282*14(mass of nitrogen)/63
(should I use the two lengths by nitrogen 0.141nm+0.141nm or just 0.141nm*14g)?

What are the distances measured from?

b) the y-axis has a length of zero so when multiplied with the mass of oxygen it becomes zero.

An axis cannot have a length of zero. An axis is infinite by definition.
 
the distances are measures from the 130 degree angle.
 
And I would think the distances are measured from the origin of the coordinate system, which is at the intersection of the X and Y axes. I advise that before going further, you should find out the coordinates of all the atoms in the molecule.
 
if the origin is O where the y-axis is labeled then coordinates are ,H(0,-0.1),N(0,0.141)
 
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The molecule has 5 atoms.
 
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H(-0.1,0),o(0,0),n(0.141,0), o(0.2,0.12),o(0.2,-0.12)
 
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I assume the first number in all the pair is the Y coordinate, correct? It is unusual, but permissible. The first three pairs are OK. The last two, however, are completely wrong.
 
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fot the last 2 I did .141cos65 ans added to .141
 
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I am sorry, I have misread your message. The coordinates are correct. Now you have all the X's and all the Y's to compute the c. m.
 
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thanks alot! , I plugged em into the equation and ended up with 0.131 for x and 0 for y.
 
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