Need help looking up thermal properties

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around finding the specific enthalpy of water vapor at 4.8 MPa and 40 degrees Celsius, with confusion arising from textbook values. The user initially cites a specific enthalpy of approximately 171.78 kJ/kg, while their own calculations yield 167.54 kJ/kg for a saturated liquid. Clarifications indicate that if the fluid is indeed a saturated liquid, the enthalpy should match the hf value at the given conditions. Further calculations using the differential enthalpy equation suggest a value of 172.371 kJ/kg, which is closer to the textbook figure but still not exact. The user expresses curiosity about the methods used by online thermodynamic calculators to arrive at their results.
bp123
Messages
3
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


I'm trying to look up the specific enthalpy (h) at 4.8Mpa and 40 degrees celcius for water vapor/steam. It should be a saturated liquid.


The Attempt at a Solution


I know the specific enthalpy should be ~171.78KJ/Kg but I can't for the life of me figure out how the textbook example comes up with that.
The value of specific enthalpy for a saturated liquid at 40ºC is 167.54KJ/Kg, obviously not quite right.. Any assistance would be great, probably a quick easy answer of something I'm missing / don't know.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
If it was stated that it is a saturated liquid then your enthalpy would just be the hf value at 40C or 4.8 MPa.

If they did not state that it was a liquid, you might need to find the quality, x, and find the enthalpy using the equation h=hf+xhfg
 
rock.freak667 said:
If it was stated that it is a saturated liquid then your enthalpy would just be the hf value at 40C or 4.8 MPa.

If they did not state that it was a liquid, you might need to find the quality, x, and find the enthalpy using the equation h=hf+xhfg
I guess a little more information may be needed.. This is part of a problem dealing with a simple rankine cycle, however the example also accounts for pump/turbine efficiencies and pressure/temperature drops along the lines. It gives the pressure directly out of the pump as 5Mpa and once the working fluid has reached the boiler (just before going in, this is point 3) it is now at the 4.8Mpa & 40ºC.

Because it just came out of the pump and has yet to go into the boiler I know for a fact that the fluid is still a saturated liquid. As well as that piece of information, if you enter the 4.8/40º into an online thermo table it will tell you the enthalpy is 171.78 and the quality is N/A. This is an example out of the book, the auther just failed to explain how they arrived at this number.

Online thermo calc for steam/water I found while trying to figure this out earlier.. 1bar=100kPa, so my pressure of interest is 48bar.
http://www.steamtablesonline.com/steam97web.aspx


Thanks for the quick reply!
 
Oh you mean the point is outside of the curve if that is the case, then I think you need to use
dh=v dP

\int_3 ^4 dh = \int_3 ^4 vdP

h_4 - h_3 = v_3 (P_4-P_3)

where v3 is the specific volume at 3 (vf). Try that.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Oh you mean the point is outside of the curve if that is the case, then I think you need to use
dh=v dP

\int_3 ^4 dh = \int_3 ^4 vdP

h_4 - h_3 = v_3 (P_4-P_3)

where v3 is the specific volume at 3 (vf). Try that.
I'm assuming you mean where state three is the values at saturation and 4 is what I'm looking for?

Substituting with that:
h_4 - 167.54 = .001008(4800-7.384)
h_4=172.371KJ/Kg

Still not quite the 171.77 they have, but its a lot closer then what I found. I'm curious how the online thermo calculator goes about doing it..
 
I am not exactly sure how the calculators do it. That is how I learned to do the basic Rakine cycle. Point 4 was usually calculated using the formula I gave you. I do not know if the calculators use a different method or formula.
 
Kindly see the attached pdf. My attempt to solve it, is in it. I'm wondering if my solution is right. My idea is this: At any point of time, the ball may be assumed to be at an incline which is at an angle of θ(kindly see both the pics in the pdf file). The value of θ will continuously change and so will the value of friction. I'm not able to figure out, why my solution is wrong, if it is wrong .
Thread 'Voltmeter readings for this circuit with switches'
TL;DR Summary: I would like to know the voltmeter readings on the two resistors separately in the picture in the following cases , When one of the keys is closed When both of them are opened (Knowing that the battery has negligible internal resistance) My thoughts for the first case , one of them must be 12 volt while the other is 0 The second case we'll I think both voltmeter readings should be 12 volt since they are both parallel to the battery and they involve the key within what the...
Back
Top