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The discussion revolves around finding the electrostatic potential of a linear charge distribution along a segment on the z-axis. The charge density is defined as λ = aQ/(z² + a²), and the potential at a point on the x-axis is expressed through an integral. Participants suggest different substitutions to simplify the integral, with one proposing a hyperbolic substitution and another suggesting a tangent substitution. Both methods aim to evaluate the integral correctly, leading to the same potential expression. The conversation confirms that the problem is solvable, depending on the preferred substitution method.
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A stright line segment of length 2L is placed on the z-axis with its midpoint at the origin. The segment has a linear charge density given by...
\lambda = \frac{aQ}{z^2 + a^2}
where Q and a are constants, a>0 find the electrostatic potential of this charge distribution at a point on the x-axis in Cartesian coords.

\Phi = \int_{-L}^{L} \frac{k_e dt \frac{aQ}{t^2+a^2}}{\sqrt{x^2 + t^2}}
= k_e Q a \int_{-L}^{L} \frac{dt}{(t^2 +a^2) \sqrt{t^2 + x^2}}

what do now?...no idea what subsitution will make this work,any suggestions?
 
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Yes,u may put your integral under the form
\Phi=2kQa\int_{0}^{L}\frac{dt}{(t^{2}+a^{2})x\sqrt{\left(\frac{t}{x}\right) ^{2}+1}}

and do the substitution:
\frac{t}{x}=\sinh u

Daniel.
 
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Okay,if you do that substitution,u'll end up with these integrals (actually the second).

Daniel.
 

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ya...instead of that good idea (which it is) how about...
= k_e Q a \int_{-L}^{L} \frac{dt}{(t^2 +a^2) \sqrt{t^2 + x^2}}

= \frac{k_e Q a}{x} \int_{-L}^{L} \frac{dt}{(t^2 +a^2) \sqrt{(\frac{t}{x})^2 + 1}}, \ \frac{t}{x} = tan(u)

t^2 = x^2 tan^2 (u), \ dt = x sec^2 (u) du

= \frac{k_e Q a}{x} \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{dt}{(x^2 tan^2 (u) +a^2) \sqrt{tan^2 u + 1}}

= \frac{k_e Q a}{x} \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{x sec^2 (u) du}{(x^2 tan^2 (u) +a^2) sec(u)}

= k_e Q a \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{sec (u) du}{(x^2 tan^2 (u) +a^2)}, \ c= \frac{a}{x}

= k_e Q a \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{sec (u) du}{x^2( tan^2 (u) + c^2)}

= \frac{k_e Q a}{x^2} \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{sec (u)}{(tan^2 (u) + (\frac{a}{x})^2}


=\frac{2 tan^{-1}(\frac{L\sqrt{x^2-a^2}}{a\sqrt{x^2+L^2}}{1}

does this all look legal? if there's an x^2 in the last one, idk why its there it's not supposed to be...
 
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Correct that latex errors.It looks good.That substitution leads to the same answer.I still prefer hyperbolic trig.functions.

Anyway,your problem is solvable.It depends on u which eq.u prefer most.

Daniel.
 
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