Newton's 3rd law, tension, friction

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The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's 3rd law in a problem involving tension, static friction, and acceleration of two boxes. The calculations show that the tension force exceeds the static friction force, leading to the conclusion that both boxes will slide off simultaneously rather than one flying off first. The maximum acceleration for each box is determined to be 5.88 m/s², which is critical in understanding their movement. The key takeaway is that the static friction is sufficient to prevent sliding until the applied acceleration exceeds this threshold. Overall, the boxes will only begin to slide when the tension force surpasses the combined static friction forces acting on them.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F=m*a
Fs <= N*us
Fk = N * uk

The Attempt at a Solution


b) T-fs = 120
T-.2 * 9.8 * (15 + 20 + 25) = 120 => T = 237.6 Newtons

c) (Fs)2 on 1 = (Fs)1 on 2 = 15 * 9.8* .6 = 88.2 Newtons

d) (15 + 20) * 9.8 * .6 = 205.8 Newtons

e) This is where I'm falling apart. Since we are applying a larger tension force than the static friction of both top boxes, then the boxes must slide off. Right?

f) My professor said they slide off at the same time, but I'm not sure how to show it, or why. I thought the top one would fly off first, since the static friction force is smallest.

Any help is appreciated!
 
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teammatt3 said:
e) This is where I'm falling apart. Since we are applying a larger tension force than the static friction of both top boxes, then the boxes must slide off. Right?
Ask yourself: In order to accelerate m1 (or m1 & m2) what force is required? Is static friction sufficient to provide that force?
f) My professor said they slide off at the same time, but I'm not sure how to show it, or why. I thought the top one would fly off first, since the static friction force is smallest.
Figure out the maximum acceleration that each box can have without sliding. (Consider the available static friction.)
 
Thank you! That helped.

The accelerations where the boxes start to slide are:

m1: 88.2 = 15 * a => a = 5.88
m2: 205.8 = (15+20) * a => a = 5.88

So they both slide at the same time. And in part e, since the acceleration is less than 5.88, they don't slide off.
 
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