Newton's Law of Gravitation ratio

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves maximizing the gravitational force between two parts of a mass M that is split into m and M - m, separated by a distance. The relevant equation for gravitational force is provided.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss substituting values into the gravitational force equation and consider taking derivatives to find maxima. Some suggest examining extreme cases instead of derivatives. There is a focus on proving the ratio that maximizes the force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants propose using extreme cases to understand the behavior of the force, while others emphasize the need for a derivative to establish the optimal ratio. There is no explicit consensus on the method to be used.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of assigning specific values to variables and are questioning the setup of the gravitational force equation. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the derivative and its application.

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Homework Statement


A mass M is split into two parts, m and M - m, which are then separated by a certain distance. What ratio m/M maximizes the magnitude of the gravitational force between the parts?

Homework Equations


F=Gm1m2/d^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I first just tried plugging in M - m and m in for m1 and m2 to see what I get.

F=(GMm-Gm)/d^2

I believe that I will have to take a derivative to find the maximum, but I am confused as to what I should take the derivative with respect to.
 
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you should not need a derivative. look at extreme cases. if the ratio of M/m was 1000, what would the force be like? what if the ratio was smaller, say 2?
 
That is true, but I need to prove that is 1/2. The only way I can think of doing that is with a derivative. Although I do see the logic in what you are saying about taking the extreme cases.
 
try assigning integers to the variables M and d, since they do not change based upon different m values. also, recheck the GMm-Gm part of the equation. I got something else for if i plugged in the values like you did.
 
Starting with the regular equation for the force of gravity:

F=G\frac{m_0m_1}{d^2}

Let m_0=M-m and m_1=m

Substitute into the first equation:

F=G\frac{(M-m)m}{d^2}=G\frac{Mm-m^2}{d^2}

To maximize F, Mm-m^2 has to be maximized.

Take its derivative with respect to m and set it to zero:

M-2m=0

Rearrange:

M=2m

Rearrange:

\frac{1}{2}=\frac{m}{M}
 

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