Non-coordinate basis for vector fields

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The discussion revolves around the concept of vector fields, particularly focusing on the distinction between coordinate and non-coordinate bases as presented in Bernard Schutz's "Geometrical methods of mathematical physics." Participants explore the implications of these concepts in the context of tangent spaces and the nature of vector fields on manifolds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the nature of the basis {∂/∂x^i}, suggesting it may not represent vector fields in an infinite-dimensional space.
  • Another participant clarifies that {∂/∂x^i} forms a basis for the tangent space at each point of the manifold, valid locally within an open subset.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the coordinate system must be interpreted locally, indicating that the basis vectors are not global but local to a neighborhood of the manifold.
  • One participant expresses a misunderstanding regarding the coefficients of the basis, initially expecting scalar coefficients rather than smooth functions.
  • Another participant notes that tangent vectors, in index-free notation, operate on smooth functions and are defined only within a specific neighborhood of the manifold.
  • A later reply states that coordinate vector fields provide a finite dimensional basis for the tangent space at each point but do not form a finite dimensional vector space basis for all vector fields over a domain.
  • This same participant points out that on certain manifolds, such as a sphere, no basis for vector fields may exist globally due to the presence of zeros in vector fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the local nature of the coordinate basis and its role in defining tangent spaces. However, there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of vector fields as a basis for an infinite-dimensional space and the implications of using smooth functions as coefficients.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the nature of vector fields, particularly regarding local versus global properties and the distinction between finite-dimensional bases and modules over smooth functions.

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Hello!
Im trying to read some mathematical physics and have problems with the understanding of vector fields. Th questions are regarding the explanations in the book "Geometrical methods of mathematical physics"..
The author, Bernard Schutz, writes:

"Given a coordinate system x^i, it is often convenient to adopt {∂/∂x^i} as a basis for vector fields."

This seems like a good basis for the tangent space to a given point (which can be described by our coordinates) but the vector space of our vector fields on M is an infinite dimensional space.. I am not really sure what he means by the set {∂/∂x^i}?? The elements doesn't even seem to be vector fields.

Secondly:
He writes that noncoordinate basis is a basis that can not be expressed by any coordinate system.. but when he shows that two vector fields not necessary commutes he actually expands them in the coordinate system! I am not really sure what he wants to show. (page 44.)I am really thankful for your effort!

All the best!
/Kontilera
 
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{∂/∂x^i} which runs from i=1 to D (where D is the dimension of your manifold M) forms a set of basis vectors, at each point, for the tangent space (also dimension D) at each point that the coordinate system is valid for.

In other words, one should always evaluate each basis vector (differential operator) at a specific point on the manifold. And that set forms a basis for the vector space that IS the tangent space.
 
First of all, you must realize that the situation is local. If we claim that the x^i are a coordinate system, then this must be interpreted locally. That is, there is an open subset U of our manifold M such that x^i:U\rightarrow \mathbb{R} form a coordinate system. As a consequence, the \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i} are a vector field on U and not a global vector field on M.

So, when we say that \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i} are a basis for the vector fields, then this must be interpreted locally on an open subset U. Now, what do we mean with a basis. First of all, we should interpret it as follows: for each p in U, we have that \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i}\vert_p is a basis of the tangent space. This is equivalent to saying that there exists smooth functions f_i:U\rightarrow \mathbb{R} such that \sum_i f^i\frac{\partial}{\partial x^i}.

Also, if we expand a vector field in a coordinate basis, then we do so locally. That is, we write X=\sum_i X^i\frac{\partial}{\partial x^i} locally on a set U. This is not in general globally.
 
Ah I see where the misstake was! I was expecting a basis for a vector space where the coefficients where scalars.. I.e. some kind of infinite set of basis vector fields that can span the space of all continuous vector fields.

I see we are using smooth functions as "coefficients". He is not trying to construct the vector space, \Tau(M), I am thinkin of right? :)
 
The confusion arises due to the the fact that in index-free notation of vector fields, tangent vectors are no longer "vectors in the conventional sense" but rather operators on smooth functions. Of course as already mentioned, tangent vectors refer only to a single neighborhood of the manifold, where their space exists tangentially.
 
The coordinate vector fields form a finite dimensional basis - using simple scalars - for the tangent space at each point. The same is true for any set of vector fields that are lineally independent at each point of their domain.

They do not form a finite dimensional vector space basis for the vector fields over a domain. They form a basis for a finitely generated module over the ring of smooth functions on the domain.

Over an entire manifold, there may be no basis for the vector fields.
For instance on the sphere, every vector field must have at least one zero so no two vector fields can be everywhere linearly independent.
 

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