Non-flow process with steam (Constant Pressure) Part II

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The discussion revolves around a non-flow process involving steam, specifically focusing on the cooling of steam at constant pressure. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of changes in internal energy, work energy, and heat energy during the process, using steam tables for reference.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate internal energy using steam tables but expresses confusion regarding the correct approach for determining u2. Some participants suggest multiplying specific energies by the respective masses of components, while others clarify the need to sum the internal energies of each component before dividing by total mass.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the calculations and the reasoning behind the methods used. There is a recognition of the need to compute the total internal energy of the mixture before determining specific energy values. Some guidance has been offered regarding the two-step process for calculating changes in internal energy.

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The problem involves specific mass values for saturated water and dry saturated steam, which raises questions about the appropriate method for calculating internal energy. The original poster also notes discrepancies between their calculations and the book's answer, indicating potential misunderstandings in the application of the formulas.

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In a non-flow process, 0.6kg of steam at a pressure of 10 bar and a temperature of 235°C is cooled at a constant pressure in a cylinder. After 45 minutes the cylinder contains 0.12 kg of saturated water and 0.48kg of dry saturated steam. Calculate
(a)the change in internal energy, the work energy and the heat energy transferred during the process.

My working for u2
From the steam table:
@ 10bar 0.12kg of saturated water uf = 762
@ 10bar 0.48kg of dry saturated water ug = 2584
Hence u2=2584+762=3346.

Putting this value into the formula together with the value of u1, I am unable to get the right answer. I believe my approach for u2 is wrong.


Please advice, thanks.
 
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Aren't you supposed to multiply the specific energies by the mass of the respective component?
 
You mean 762x0.12 + 2584x0.48 = u2 ?
 
Yep.
 
voko, I cannot get the answer, can you help me take a look at my working.

Stage 1, Finding u1:
@ 10bar, 235°C

Doing interpolation:

Temp Ug
250 2711
235 u1
200 2623

250-200/2711-2623 = 235-200/u1-2623
50/88=35/u1-2623

50u1=131150=3080
u1=2684.6

u2 working:
u2=762x0.12 + 2584x0.48
=1331.76


U2-U1=m(u2-u1)
=0.6(1331.76-2684.6)
=-811.704 (Ans wong)

Book answer is -279kJ
 

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What you computed as u2=762x0.12 + 2584x0.48 is in fact U2. Can you see why?
 
Because it's not J/kg anymore but I'm confused why do I need to multiply the specific energies by the mass of the respective component first if the mass is not the full value (0.12 saturated, 0.48 dry saturated).

For example if the question is changed to "after 45 minutes the cylinder contains 0.6kg of dry saturated steam"

@ 10bar 0.6kg of dry saturated water ug = 2584
For this instance how come I don't have to multiply by the mass first? I mean I will do it when I'm using U2-U1=m(u2-u1) later on.

But from post #1
@ 10bar 0.12kg of saturated water uf = 762
@ 10bar 0.48kg of dry saturated water ug = 2584
I have to mutiply by the specific mass first.
 
0.12 saturated, 0.48 dry saturated means there are two components, and you do not know the specific energy of the mix. So you compute the full internal energy of each component then sum them, getting the full internal energy of the entire mix. THEN you can divide the full internal energy by the total mass and get the specific energy of the mix, but that would be doing more than necessary.
 
Yes you are right, thank you for the explanation.
 
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Think of this as a two step process. You start out with 0.6 lb of superheated steam at 10 bars and 235C. You first cool this to the saturation temperature (dew point) of 179.9 C and 10 bar. The total internal energy change for this is 101 J/kg, or 60.1 J for 0.6 kg. Then you condense out 0.12 kg of liquid water at the same temperature and pressure. The change in internal energy is 2584 - 762 = 1822 J/kg. Since the amount of liquid water condensed out is 0.12 kg, the change in internal energy is 219 J. Therefore the total change in internal energy is 219 + 60 = 279 J.
 

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