Non-flow process with steam (Constant Pressure) Part II

In summary: Hope this helps!In summary, the conversation discusses a non-flow process where 0.6kg of steam at 10 bar and 235°C is cooled at a constant pressure in a cylinder. After 45 minutes, the cylinder contains 0.12kg of saturated water and 0.48kg of dry saturated steam. The participants are trying to calculate the change in internal energy, work energy, and heat energy transferred during the process. There is confusion about the correct approach for calculating the internal energy of the steam (u2) and the correct formula to use. After some discussion and clarification, it is determined that the internal energy change is 279 kJ, which is the correct answer according to the book.
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In a non-flow process, 0.6kg of steam at a pressure of 10 bar and a temperature of 235°C is cooled at a constant pressure in a cylinder. After 45 minutes the cylinder contains 0.12 kg of saturated water and 0.48kg of dry saturated steam. Calculate
(a)the change in internal energy, the work energy and the heat energy transferred during the process.

My working for u2
From the steam table:
@ 10bar 0.12kg of saturated water uf = 762
@ 10bar 0.48kg of dry saturated water ug = 2584
Hence u2=2584+762=3346.

Putting this value into the formula together with the value of u1, I am unable to get the right answer. I believe my approach for u2 is wrong.


Please advice, thanks.
 
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  • #2
Aren't you supposed to multiply the specific energies by the mass of the respective component?
 
  • #3
You mean 762x0.12 + 2584x0.48 = u2 ?
 
  • #4
Yep.
 
  • #5
voko, I cannot get the answer, can you help me take a look at my working.

Stage 1, Finding u1:
@ 10bar, 235°C

Doing interpolation:

Temp Ug
250 2711
235 u1
200 2623

250-200/2711-2623 = 235-200/u1-2623
50/88=35/u1-2623

50u1=131150=3080
u1=2684.6

u2 working:
u2=762x0.12 + 2584x0.48
=1331.76


U2-U1=m(u2-u1)
=0.6(1331.76-2684.6)
=-811.704 (Ans wong)

Book answer is -279kJ
 

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  • #6
What you computed as u2=762x0.12 + 2584x0.48 is in fact U2. Can you see why?
 
  • #7
Because it's not J/kg anymore but I'm confused why do I need to multiply the specific energies by the mass of the respective component first if the mass is not the full value (0.12 saturated, 0.48 dry saturated).

For example if the question is changed to "after 45 minutes the cylinder contains 0.6kg of dry saturated steam"

@ 10bar 0.6kg of dry saturated water ug = 2584
For this instance how come I don't have to multiply by the mass first? I mean I will do it when I'm using U2-U1=m(u2-u1) later on.

But from post #1
@ 10bar 0.12kg of saturated water uf = 762
@ 10bar 0.48kg of dry saturated water ug = 2584
I have to mutiply by the specific mass first.
 
  • #8
0.12 saturated, 0.48 dry saturated means there are two components, and you do not know the specific energy of the mix. So you compute the full internal energy of each component then sum them, getting the full internal energy of the entire mix. THEN you can divide the full internal energy by the total mass and get the specific energy of the mix, but that would be doing more than necessary.
 
  • #9
Yes you are right, thank you for the explanation.
 
  • #10
Think of this as a two step process. You start out with 0.6 lb of superheated steam at 10 bars and 235C. You first cool this to the saturation temperature (dew point) of 179.9 C and 10 bar. The total internal energy change for this is 101 J/kg, or 60.1 J for 0.6 kg. Then you condense out 0.12 kg of liquid water at the same temperature and pressure. The change in internal energy is 2584 - 762 = 1822 J/kg. Since the amount of liquid water condensed out is 0.12 kg, the change in internal energy is 219 J. Therefore the total change in internal energy is 219 + 60 = 279 J.
 

1. What is a non-flow process with steam?

A non-flow process with steam is a thermodynamic process in which steam undergoes a series of changes while remaining at a constant pressure. This means that the pressure of the steam does not change throughout the process.

2. How is a non-flow process with steam different from a flow process?

A flow process involves a continuous flow of steam, while a non-flow process involves a fixed amount of steam that undergoes changes without being replenished. In a flow process, the pressure of the steam may change, but in a non-flow process, the pressure remains constant.

3. What is the purpose of a constant pressure in a non-flow process with steam?

The constant pressure in a non-flow process with steam allows for easier calculation of work and heat transfer. It also enables the process to be run at a steady state, which is useful for certain applications such as power generation.

4. What are some common examples of non-flow processes with steam?

Common examples of non-flow processes with steam include steam turbines, where high-pressure steam expands and does work as it passes through the blades, and steam engines, where steam is used to power a piston and convert thermal energy into mechanical work.

5. How does a non-flow process with steam relate to the Carnot cycle?

A non-flow process with steam is a simplified version of the Carnot cycle, which is a theoretical thermodynamic cycle that describes the most efficient way to convert thermal energy into work. The constant pressure process in a non-flow process with steam corresponds to the isobaric process in the Carnot cycle.

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