Non-uniform line charge density with r not constant

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric potential and electric field at the origin due to a non-uniform line charge density defined as P_{l} = \rho_{l} cos\phi, situated in a spiral configuration on the x-y plane. The variable radius r is expressed as r(φ) = φ * r_{0} + a, complicating the integration process. Participants suggest using cylindrical coordinates and line integrals to derive the potential, emphasizing the need to express the line charge density in terms of dφ for integration. The potential is approached through the formula V = k ∫ (λ(r')/||r - r'||) dl', where λ is the line charge density. The conversation highlights the challenges posed by the non-constant radius in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement



We have a non uniform line charge density P_{l} = \rho_{l} cos\phi

It is a spiral line where 0 \leq \phi \leq 4 \pi

It is on the x-y plane with z=0.

r varies: r ( \phi ) = \phi * r_{0} + a

We need to find the Potential and Electric Field at the origin.

Homework Equations



V = (KQ/r)

E = (KQ)/ r^{2}

E = -\nablaV


The Attempt at a Solution



The east way would be to find the Potential and then to find the Electric Field by using the relationship between E and the gradient of V.

I think this problem wouldn't be as tough if r was constant.
 
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So are you going to use a line integral? I suggest cylindrical coordinates.

Also, I don't know what phi is, the polar angle or some constant? Oh, nevermind I see where r is bounded. You still need to show some work before you get any help.
 
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I've tried it, and I have gotten to the point where I have an integral that determines the potential at this point. Here's how I got this far:

For a bunch of separate point charges, we have

V = \sum {\frac {-1}{4 \pi \epsilon_{o} } \frac {q_i}{r_i} }
where I've replaced \rho_l with \lambda to make things easier for me. (Sometimes \rho denotes the radial distance.)

For a line, we replace q with d \lambda and integrate. To do this, we need to replace d \lambda with something with d \phi in it; I'll leave the details up to you. We replace r with your formula for r.
 
Can I fix your formulas too?

V = k \int_{\Omega} \frac{\rho(\mathbf{r'})}{||\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r'}||} d\gamma'

Which would specifically be

V = k \int_l \frac{\lambda(\mathbf{r'})}{||\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r'}||} dl'

for a line charge.
 
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