Normal forces, Work, and Energy help

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving normal forces, work, and energy related to a cart being pulled at a constant speed on a horizontal surface. The problem includes parameters such as mass, angle of the pulling force, coefficient of friction, and gravitational acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss drawing free body diagrams and resolving forces into components. Questions arise about setting the sum of forces in the x-direction to zero despite the cart moving at constant speed.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the necessity of considering the net force as zero due to constant speed. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the applied force and the normal force, with suggestions to leave certain variables as unknowns in equations to solve for them simultaneously.

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Participants express confusion regarding the calculations for the normal force and work done by the rope, indicating a need for clarification on the relationships between forces and the effects of friction. There are mentions of homework service feedback that may not align with their reasoning.

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a cart loaded with bricks has a total mass of 17.2 kg and is pulled at constant speed by a rope. the rope is inclined at 20.2 degrees above the horizontal and the cart moves 19.2 m on a horizontal floor. the coeffiecient of kinetic friction between the ground and the cart is .8. The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2.


what is the normal force exerted on the cart by the floor?
how much work is done on the cart by the rope?
(note the energy change due to friction is a loss of energy) what is the energy change due to friction?



=basically i don;t even know where to start :(

any help is appreciated!
Thanks
 
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Start by drawing a free body diagram with all of the forces on it. Resolve the applied force into its components. Sum up the forces in each direction.
 
i've done that but i can't figure out how to solve for the applied force's x and y components because i can't set the sum of the forces in the x direction to zero because the box is moving right?
 
Yes you can because it's not accelerating. It's moving at a constant speed so the net force must be zero.
 
alright that make since.
but my homework service keeps telling me i';m wrong. do you see any mistakes

F(x)=0=Xcos(20.2) - (.8*17.2*9.8)
and i get X=143.68567
then i use that for
F(y)=0=N+(17.2)(-9.8)+ (143.68567sin(20.2))
and i get N=118.9456
 
F(x)=0=Xcos(20.2) - (.8*17.2*9.8)
This isn't quite right. The frictional force is [tex]f = \mu_kN[/tex], but you don't know what N is yet! That's what you are trying to solve for. In this case N is NOT simply equal to mg. There is a vertical component to the applied force so that affects the normal force. You must leave N as a variable in the first equation.

Your second equation is more or less right except for the 143.68567 part. You don't know what the force is yet so you must leave it as F (or X or whatever you are calling it).

So you have two equations and two unknowns (the applied force, and N), so you can solve for N with what you have.
 
oh my gosh. thank you so much. i know it seems really simple, but that problem has been killing me. i really appreciate it!
 
sorry, I'm trying to solve for how much work the rope is doing now and i thought the equation would just be
frictional force=applied force so (frictional coeff)*(Normal force)*(distance) but i was wrong, wrong, wrong. so .8(130.229)(19.2)
because 130.229 was what i found for my first answer for normal force
 
nevermind i got it! thanks!
 
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and just for anyone who tries to use this in the future, the answer is the normal force you found in the first question*cos(angle)*distance :) best of luck!
 

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