Normalized equation for particle in a ring

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of the wave function for a particle constrained to move along a ring of radius 'a', where the potential V is zero on the ring and infinite elsewhere. Participants are examining the appropriate form of the normalization integral for the wave function.

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  • Participants are exploring the normalization of the wave function, specifically questioning the correct form of the normalization integral. There is a discussion about whether to integrate with respect to the arc length or the angular variable θ.

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Some participants have pointed out the distinction between integrating over the angular variable θ versus the arc length along the ring. There is an ongoing examination of the implications of these different approaches to normalization.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the integration limits and the dimensionality of the integral, as well as the definitions of the probability density function in terms of θ versus arc length.

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Homework Statement


Normalized equation for particle in a ring, where V=0 on a ring of radius 'a' and infinite everywhere else.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Replcing x by rθ,
$$-\frac{\hbar^2}{2I}\frac{\partial^2\psi}{\partial\theta^2}=E\psi$$
By guess, I found out that ##Ae^{ik\theta}## is an eigenfunction of the hamiltonian.
To find ##A##, I used:
$$\int_0^{2\pi}|\psi|^2rd\theta=1$$
But in the solution, they used
$$\int_0^{2\pi}|\psi|^2d\theta=1$$So the normalization constants were different. Which one is correct?
 
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Titan97 said:

Homework Statement


Normalized equation for particle in a ring, where V=0 on a ring of radius 'a' and infinite everywhere else.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Replcing x by rθ,
$$-\frac{\hbar^2}{2I}\frac{\partial^2\psi}{\partial\theta^2}=E\psi$$
By guess, I found out that ##Ae^{ik\theta}## is an eigenfunction of the hamiltonian.
To find ##A##, I used:
$$\int_0^{2\pi}|\psi|^2rd\theta=1$$
But in the solution, they used
$$\int_0^{2\pi}|\psi|^2d\theta=1$$So the normalization constants were different. Which one is correct?

You are not integrating a function of ##r, \theta## over two dimensions. It's a simple one-dimensional integral for ##\theta##.
 
the particle moves along a ring. so the elemental length should be rdtheta
 
Titan97 said:
the particle moves along a ring. so the elemental length should be rdtheta

You've defined your ##\psi## in terms of ##\theta##. ##|\psi|^2## is the probability density function in terms of ##\theta##, not in terms of ##l## where ##l## is the arc length along the ring.

Normalisation means that the total proability is 1, so the simple integral of ##|\psi(\theta)|^2 d\theta## is required.

If you transformed ##\psi## into a function of arc length, ##l##, then you would integrate ##|\psi(l)|^2 dl##.

To illustrate this, a constant pdf for ##\theta## would be ##p(\theta) = \frac{1}{2 \pi}##, whereas a constant pdf for ##l## would be ##p(l) = \frac{1}{2 \pi a}##
 
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