Obtain an equation of the plane in the form ##px+qy+rz=d##

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The discussion revolves around obtaining an equation of a plane in the form \(px + qy + rz = d\). Participants explore the use of vector operations, specifically the cross product, and the implications of parametrization in defining the plane's equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the normal vector to the plane using the cross product and the subsequent parametrization of points on the plane. Questions arise regarding the necessity of certain conditions, such as \(\mu + \lambda = 0\), and the implications of using different points to determine the constant \(C\) in the plane's equation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different parametrizations and their validity. Some participants suggest simpler approaches to derive the equation of the plane, while others reflect on the implications of their chosen methods. No explicit consensus has been reached, but several productive lines of reasoning have been presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for multiple interpretations of the parametrization. There is also mention of the distance formula related to the plane, indicating a broader context for the discussion.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
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The solution is here;
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Now to my comments,
From literature, the cross product of two vectors results into a vector in the same dimension. A pointer to me as i did not know the first step. With that in mind and using cross product, i have

##(1-1)i - (-1-1)j+(1+1)k =0i+2j +2k## as shown in ms attachment.

Now the second part is the reason of this post. My take on that is,

##r=(λ +μ)i + (μ-4-λ)j + (λ-3-μ)k =x+y+z##

Now

##λ +μ = 0, ⇒ λ = -μ##

Therefore,
##μ-4+μ=y##
##-μ-3-μ=z##

on adding the above two equations,

##-4+-3=y+z##
##-7=y+z##

unless there is a better approach or simpler...have a great day.
 
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The general form of the equation for a plane is
$$
\vec n \cdot \vec r = C,
$$
where ##C## is a constant and ##\vec n## is normal to the plane. You have first found ##\vec n## so that is fine, but after that you are inserting the general form of any parametrised point on the plane. This is unnecessarily complicated. You know that the expression above should equal the same constant ##C## regardless of the point so using a single point in the plane will give you ##C##. The easiest is to just take the point corresponding to ##\mu =\lambda = 0##, i.e., ##\vec r = -4\hat j - 3\hat k##. Doing so with ##\vec n = \hat j + \hat k## results in
$$
C = -4 \cdot 1 - 3 \cdot 1 = -7
$$
and therefore
$$
\vec n \cdot \vec r = y + z = -7
$$
 
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Also note that there is no requirement that ##\mu + \lambda = 0##, but this just describes a line in the plane. The values of ##\mu## and ##\lambda## are arbitrary, but the point is that you will get the same constant ##C## regardless of the values of ##\mu## and ##\lambda##.
 
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This is also related part of question,

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The solution is here - quite clear to me

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but nothing wrong with me having,
##y+z-7=0##
##-5x+3y+5z-4=0##

setting ##x=0## gives

##y=-\dfrac{39}{2}## and ##z=\dfrac{25}{2}##

Thus,

##r+λ(n_1 ×n_2) = (0, -19.5, 12.5) +λ(2,-5,5)##
 
Sure, it is just a different parametrisation. Setting ##\lambda = \lambda' - 7/2## should give you the parametrisation given in the answer key.
 
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This last part is also related to the question- hmmmm i have no idea how they did this but i will still share my thoughts.

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Mythoughts,

Distance between a point and a plane is given by,

##D=\dfrac{|ax_0 +by_o+cz_0 +d|}{\sqrt{a^2+b^2+c^2}}=\sqrt{2}##

Now could they have used ,

##x=a +λ (1-b-a)##

##y=a+λ(b-a)##

##z=(a-7)+λ(b-a-7)##

when ##λ=0## I will then have,

##D=\dfrac{|0 +a+a-7+7|}{|\sqrt{0^2+1^2+1^2}|}=\sqrt{2}##

If that is the case then its time for me to have hot coffee! :cool:
 

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