Oleum Fuming: Investigating the Physical Mechanism

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The discussion centers on the physical mechanism behind the fuming of oleum, particularly how dissolved SO3 reacts exothermically with air humidity. It is noted that the reaction occurs at the liquid's surface, generating heat that influences the surrounding environment. The condensation of mist above the surface is attributed to the high partial pressure of SO3, which leads to condensation in the presence of water vapor. This process occurs in the gas phase above the oleum, rather than the sulfuric acid dissolving in the solution. The conversation also references the chemistry principle of "acid to water, never water to acid," highlighting the differences in physical processes between adding water to acid and the fuming of oleum. Overall, the fuming phenomenon is explained through the interplay of reaction heat, vaporization, and condensation dynamics.
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I'd like to know the physical mechanism of oleum "fuming" on its surface. Dissolved SO3 reacts very exothermically with some air humidity. Why does the mist occur instead of dissolving created H2SO4 in the solution?
 
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sludger13 said:
Why does the mist occur instead of dissolving created H2SO4 in the solution?
sludger13 said:
SO3 reacts very exothermically with some air humidity
You've pretty much answered your own question here.
 
Bystander said:
You've pretty much answered your own question here.
No, that is too simplified.
The reaction takes place on the liquid's surface. The heat of reaction heats up surface's surroundings.
What does there vaporize? Air humidity? Then why does it condensate 1 cm above the surface? Or sulfuric acid with (~300°C, p(atm)) boiling point? Generally, why the sulfuric acid is being carried away if it can dissolve?
 
My bet is that the concentration (partial pressure) of SO3 above oleum is high enough to start condensation in the presence of water vapor. That will happen above the surface, in the gas phase.
 
sludger13 said:
Or sulfuric acid with (~300°C, p(atm)) boiling point?
Cp(H2SO4, liq) ~ 60 J/molK, and the enthalpy of the reaction between SO3 and water vapor at the surface is around 160 kJ/mol. Fume? You bet you --- that's the old "acid to water, never water to acid" rule from HS chemistry.
 
Borek said:
My bet is that the concentration (partial pressure) of SO3 above oleum is high enough to start condensation in the presence of water vapor. That will happen above the surface, in the gas phase.
That makes me more sense, thank you.

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Fume? You bet you --- that's the old "acid to water, never water to acid" rule from HS chemistry.
When water putted into acid or conversely acid putted into water, the liquid may spit around due to gas expansion, as I see. Also that is different physical process than oleum fuming.
 
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