Integrating with Negative Signs: Effects on Solutions

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The discussion centers on the integration of the arc length for the function y=ln(1-x²) over the interval [0,0.5]. Two different approaches to simplifying the derivative f'(x) yield two distinct results: one leads to an integral resulting in 0.5 - ln3, while the other results in -0.5 - ln3. The discrepancy arises from the treatment of negative signs when squaring the derivative, highlighting the importance of using absolute values in the denominator. The thread emphasizes that both methods should theoretically yield the same solution if handled correctly. Ultimately, the discussion underscores the significance of careful algebraic manipulation in calculus problems.
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While working on an integration problem I found that I will arrive at two different solutions depending on how I approach it.

I'm finding the arc length of y=ln(1-x2) on the interval [0,0.5]

The formula for finding the arc length is ∫sqrt[1+[f'(x)]2]dx

So f'(x) = -2x / ( 1-x2 )

Here I first simplify this to 2x / ( x2 - 1 ) and squaring gives

4x2 / ( x2 -1 )2

Working from here I end up integrating from 0 to 0.5

∫ [1 + 1/(x-1) - 1/(x+1)] dx = 0.5 - ln3

On the other hand if I leave f'(x) as it is without simplifying, when I squared f'(x) I get

4x2 / ( 1-x2 )2

and end up integrating from 0 to 0.5

∫ [1 + 1/(1+x) + 1/(1-x)] dx = -0.5 - ln3

Should both have the same solution or is this simply a possible effect from squaring numbers?

Thank you
 
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Note that when taking the square root of the perfect square in your denominator, you must use the ABSOLUTE value, |x^2-1| as your new denominator.
 
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