Oscillating Mass between Two Springs

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The problem involves a block on a frictionless table connected to two springs with different spring constants, k1 and k2. The objective is to demonstrate the relationship between the oscillation frequency of the block when connected to both springs and the individual frequencies when connected to each spring separately.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the frequencies of the springs and the combined system. There is mention of using the Pythagorean theorem to relate the frequencies, though some express confusion about this approach. Others suggest calculating the frequencies for each spring individually and for the combined spring constant.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to calculate the frequencies for each configuration. There is acknowledgment of different approaches being considered, and while some clarity has been offered, no consensus has been reached on the best method to relate the frequencies.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also a recognition of the complexity introduced by different equations being considered by some participants.

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Homework Statement



A block on a frictionless table is connected to two springs having spring constants k1 and k2. Show that the block's oscillation frequency is given by f = (f12 + f22).5 where f1 and f2 are the frequencies at which it would oscillate if attached to spring 1 or spring 2 alone.

Homework Equations



f = 1/T
T = 2pi(m/k).5


The Attempt at a Solution



I have substituted the period into the frequency and I am stuck. It looks like they found f1 and f2 alone and put them into the Pythagorean theorem, but I do not know how to relate them.
 
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kppc1407 said:

Homework Statement



A block on a frictionless table is connected to two springs having spring constants k1 and k2. Show that the block's oscillation frequency is given by f = (f12 + f22).5 where f1 and f2 are the frequencies at which it would oscillate if attached to spring 1 or spring 2 alone.

Homework Equations



f = 1/T
T = 2pi(m/k).5


The Attempt at a Solution



I have substituted the period into the frequency and I am stuck. It looks like they found f1 and f2 alone and put them into the Pythagorean theorem, but I do not know how to relate them.
I do not see any relation to Pythagorean theorem. Notice that if you were to latch two springs onto a mass, you could model the same motion with one spring with a constant equal to the sum of the two springs. Knowing this, calculate the frequency of all three configurations(spring 1, spring 2, and spring 1 & 2 combined). Next, substitute your answer for spring 1 and spring 2 into that equation and see if you get the same answer you derived for spring 1 & 2 combined.
 
When I find the frequencies of the springs, I do not understand how to relate them.
 
kppc1407 said:
When I find the frequencies of the springs, I do not understand how to relate them.

I told you how.

Calculate frequency 1 with k = k1, frequency 2 with k = k2, and f with k = k1 + k2.

f_1 = \frac{1}{2\pi} \sqrt{\frac{k_1}{m}}
f_2 = \frac{1}{2\pi} \sqrt{\frac{k_2}{m}}
f = \frac{1}{2\pi} \sqrt{\frac{k_1 + k_2}{m}} because k = k_1 + k_2 and nothing else changes.

Next, plug f_1 and f_2 into f=\sqrt{f_1^2+f_2^2} to see if you get the same expression as above for f.
(you do)
 
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Oh, I was going a different route using a different equation making it more complicated. Thank you for your help.
 

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