Oscillation question - vibration topic

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which oscillation occurs in a single degree of freedom system, particularly focusing on the relationship between the damping ratio (ξ), the constant of proportionality (c), and the characteristic equation derived from the system's differential equation.

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  • One participant questions how to determine the absence of oscillation solely from the characteristic equation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for context, asking for definitions of ξ, c, λ, and the specific oscillation being discussed.
  • A participant provides the characteristic equation for a single degree of freedom system and clarifies the meaning of the variables involved.
  • It is proposed that the border case between oscillation and no oscillation occurs when the roots of the characteristic equation are equal, leading to critical damping.
  • Further elaboration suggests that below critical damping, the system is over-damped, while above it, the solutions become complex, indicating oscillation.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding and provide various interpretations of the problem, indicating that no consensus has been reached regarding the initial question or the definitions of the terms involved.

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There are missing assumptions regarding the definitions of the variables and the specific conditions of the system being analyzed. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the characteristic equation and its implications for oscillation.

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oscillation question -- vibration topic

Book is asking me to prove that ξ = 1 corresponds with the smallest value of c such that no oscillation occurs.

Says let λ = -b (b is a positive number)


and that's all I'm given.

I'm not even sure I understand how you can tell there is no oscillation from the characteristic equation alone.
 
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Well at the very least you'll have to give us some context. Because now it's like asking: "I have a car and the mechanic told me to polish the round part."

What is ξ, what is c, what is λ and what oscillation are we talking about?

Please post the entire question and any relevant equations. Physicists tend to re-use letters over and over, so if you don't say what they mean we can't help you.
 


single degree of freedom systems

assuming you start with mx'' + cx' + kx = 0

where '' stands for the dots above x

the solution to that equation would be λ^2 + (c/m)*λ + k/m = 0

the characteristic equation

c --> constant of proportionality
λ --> root of the equation from the solution format x = Aeλt
ζ --> damping ratio, in this case 1

(meant to say zeta)
 


So the border case between oscillation and no oscillation is exactly that where the two roots of the characteristic equation are equal. In that case, the two independent solutions are not [itex]e^{\lambda_1 t}[/itex] and [itex]e^{\lambda_2 t}[/itex] (with [itex]\lambda_{1,2}[/itex] the two roots of the equation, so you'd have [itex]\lambda_1 = \lambda_2[/itex]), but you'd have to take [itex]e^{\lambda t}, t e^{\lambda t}[/itex] (you can check that). So the general solution will become [tex]x(t) = (A + B t) e^{-\lambda t}[/tex] which you can see is exponentially damped. This case is called critical damping. Below the critical damping, you will have something like [tex]A e^{-\omega_1 t} + B^{-\omega_2 t}[/tex] where [itex]\omega_{1,2}[/tex] are two positive real numbers and the system is called over-damped. Above the critical damping, the solutions will be complex and you can use Eulers identity to rewrite the exponentials into sines and cosines, which shows you that there is oscillation.<br /> <br /> Also check out the Wikipedia page linked to by MechEngineer, it has some clarifying graphs.[/itex]
 

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