Palin 2012?

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Ok, I guess we are all in agreement that Palin didn't make these statements - it was just the personal opinion of the new PF member.
Yes, and not making those "exact" statements doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with Palin's views on religion through politics, IMO.
 
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If she had made those exact arguments, there would be nothing to fear because almost no one would take that seriously, or promote it to any sort of success (thus being useless not only in converting people to 'her' ideas, but also as a tool for those who hold those ideals).

On the other hand this 'soft' and 'unbiased' view should be taken as religious espionage, with all of it's poison (maybe kool-aid is a more apt analogy, heh) seeping it's way into our (public) schools.
 
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In the 2006 governor's race, Palin said that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools. Due perhaps to the cautious nature of espousing such nonsense in public, she couched her statement in terms of fairness and open-mindedness, so we don't know if she was a young-Earther back then (6000 years ago, men and dinosaurs roamed the Earth) or if she just rejects the Darwinist theory of common ancestry. Frankly, I doubt that she's educated enough to be able to tell the difference.

The thought that somebody would urge the Alaskan air-head to run for President is a sign of their incompetence as much as of hers. I want a President who can think critically, is aware of issues, and knows how and from whom to get guidance when an issue is too complex or when (s)he lacks the background to come up to speed quickly enough to make decisions. We are all affected by the actions of our President, and frankly, I want the best, most competent individual we can agree on in that position. When McCain chose Palin, he lost my support immediately, and that of many Independents, I believe. McCain blew it - he could be President today had he chosen an old-style conservative as running-mate. When you're old and have had many bouts with cancer, people start looking at your VP pick pretty closely.
 
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If she had made those exact arguments, there would be nothing to fear because almost no one would take that seriously, or promote it to any sort of success (thus being useless not only in converting people to 'her' ideas, but also as a tool for those who hold those ideals).

On the other hand this 'soft' and 'unbiased' view should be taken as religious espionage, with all of it's poison (maybe kool-aid is a more apt analogy, heh) seeping it's way into our (public) schools.

Can you elaborate - may offer a little support as well?
 
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In the 2006 governor's race, Palin said that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools. Due perhaps to the cautious nature of espousing such nonsense in public, she couched her statement in terms of fairness and open-mindedness, so we don't know if she was a young-Earther back then (6000 years ago, men and dinosaurs roamed the Earth) or if she just rejects the Darwinist theory of common ancestry. Frankly, I doubt that she's educated enough to be able to tell the difference.

You are correct, we don't know - this entire conversation is based on supposition - as so far nobody has found a link where she's talking about donosaurs 6,000 years ago.
 
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Can you elaborate - may offer a little support as well?

Not really, it's just an opinion. I am extremely biased on this one.
 
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Not really, it's just an opinion. I am extremely biased on this one.

You might also want to read the rules.
 
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You might also want to read the rules.



I think it was clear my post was an opinion and not a fact, and my last post ("it's just an opinion") should have cleared that up, if it was foggy, hah.
 
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Not really, it's just an opinion. I am extremely biased on this one.

You might also want to read the rules.
What, this rule?
4) When stating an opinion on an issue, make sure it is clearly stated to be an opinion and not asserted as fact.
So using "IMO", "I personally believe", "in my opinion", etc... are all fine.

Only opinions stated as fact require backup. This would be "Palin said she went to the moon". It would not be "I personally believe that Palin said she went to the moon" The first sentence is stating a fact, the second is stating an opinion.
 
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What, this rule? So using "IMO", "I personally believe", "in my opinion", etc... are all fine.

Only opinions stated as fact require backup. This would be "Palin said she went to the moon". It would not be "I personally believe that Palin said she went to the moon" The first sentence is stating a fact, the second is stating an opinion.

I don't see any of those specified in his post?

"If she had made those exact arguments, there would be nothing to fear because almost no one would take that seriously, or promote it to any sort of success (thus being useless not only in converting people to 'her' ideas, but also as a tool for those who hold those ideals).

On the other hand this 'soft' and 'unbiased' view should be taken as religious espionage, with all of it's poison (maybe kool-aid is a more apt analogy, heh) seeping it's way into our (public) schools."
 
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You seriously thought I was presenting those opinions as fact? C'mon, I find that hard to believe. I will state all my opinions as being such beforehand from now on though.
 
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I don't see any of those specified in his post?

"If she had made those exact arguments, there would be nothing to fear because almost no one would take that seriously, or promote it to any sort of success (thus being useless not only in converting people to 'her' ideas, but also as a tool for those who hold those ideals).

On the other hand this 'soft' and 'unbiased' view should be taken as religious espionage, with all of it's poison (maybe kool-aid is a more apt analogy, heh) seeping it's way into our (public) schools."
And he thoroughly clarified that it was only an opinion. Did you miss that?

https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3006386&postcount=56

I will not, however, condone wild speculation or false information to be continually presented under the guise of opinion either. There is a line where opinion becomes overly speculative and is against the rules.
 
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I highly doubt the amendments of the Constitution are going to replaced with the Bible and children start being taught that the Earth is 6,000 years old if Palin becomes President (and that's a big IF!).

Presidents can't just amend the Constitution at their will, and we have that big body known as the Congress, which stalled President Obama for over a year in getting his healthcare bill passed, and that was with a Democratic majority in both the House and the Senate. Palin likely wouldn't have a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate as president, but even if she did, I highly doubt all Republicans would go along with trying to impose something like creationism into the public education system (and that's assuming that even would be a goal of Palin's, considering Palin, being a limited government Republican, would likely not even want the federal government to be messing with education most likely (most conservatives see it as a states issue)).

Some quick research shows Palin is okay with the teaching of evolution in schools, but doesn't want it to be part of the curriculum, and would not push for school boards to make it part of the curriculum. But she encourages it be brought up and discussed and is okay with it personally. She also has said she believes parents should have ultimate say over what their child is taught.

Here is a link to quotes she has made on the subject: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Education.htm

As for qualification, I'd say she will need to show she understands the issues.

Did he quit politics to sign a book deal, get a tv commentary deal, and a reality tv series before running?

I wouldn't say Palin "quit," so much as was forced out. She was unable to govern, and personally liable financially for all the lawsuits coming against her. IMO she did the right thing stepping down, both for herself and the people of Alaska (wouldn't have made much sense to risk personal bankruptcy and not even be able to continue governing). If she runs though, her resigning the Governorship of Alaska will probably sort of be to her what the whole Reverand Wright issue was to Obama (critics will harp on it constantly, supporters will be okay with it).
 
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Presidents can't just amend the Constitution at their will....
This is very true, in fact, the President has no official role whatsoever in the amendment process.
 
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Here's an http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...ection-that-will-be-held-in-720-days?ps=cprs" that seems to suggest Palin is considering running for President in 2012. I wasn't very impressed with what I saw from her in '08, but I haven't seen much of her since then.

How's she been doing? Do you think she has a chance?
Sure she has a chance. The US is populated by lots of ignorant people. This isn't to say that Palin is ignorant. She's a very calculating and cunning politician. Whether she would be a good president or not is an open question. There's really only one way to find out.
 
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Here's an http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...ection-that-will-be-held-in-720-days?ps=cprs" that seems to suggest Palin is considering running for President in 2012. I wasn't very impressed with what I saw from her in '08, but I haven't seen much of her since then.

How's she been doing? Do you think she has a chance?
According to CNN, Sarah Palin recently stated that North Korea is a strong US ally. These kind of blunders must cease if she wants to be viewed as a serious candidate in 2012. I think she should serve in the US Senate before running for President.
 
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If Palin is elected in 2012, how will America look like? is it gonna be like a TV show series where Palin is the main actress?

Probably I may go with Barbara Bush when she was asked what she thinks about S.Palin, on Larry King Live (a couple weeks ago), and said, "She is from Alaska, right? I hope she stays there". Well said Barbara!
 
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When VP Joe Biden was asked about Palin's possible bid for the Presidency, he started laughing. Personally, I am not a fan of the Tea Party.

I don't think Sarah Palin would be a good President.
 
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With regard to Sarah's campaign rhetoric, I like the phrase coined by comedian Pat Paulsen on the Smothers Brother's Comedy Hour:

"The past lays behind us and the future lies lies lies."
 
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Palin's views on creationism/evolution are as undefined as she's able to get away with. She wasn't a creationist during the 2008 campaign, in spite of liberal attacks on her being raised in her mother's church (a church her father didn't belong to). Evidently, she later realised being perceived as a creationist might not be such a bad thing.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Bright-Green/2009/1119/going-rogue-is-sarah-palin-a-creationist

On the other hand, it does appear that Sarah Palin either has cannibalistic views or very limited expertise in biology: "If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?"
 
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The biologist and philosopher Massimo Pigliucci suggests that Palin is, in fact, a creationist, due to the fact that http://www.livescience.com/culture/080901-sb-palin-creationist.html.

The relevant quote from Plain:
Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.

Palin also rejects global warming, calling it "snake oil".

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called studies supporting global climate change a "bunch of snake oil science" Monday during a rare appearance in California, a state that has been at the forefront of environmental regulations.

She also does not understand the value of model organisms, mocking the study of fruit flies as a useless waste of money for no good. Instead, she wanted to fund projects for kinds with special needs, such as autism spectrum disorder (ASD). Little did she knew, but studying fruit flies may be a key to better understand the root of the very same condition.

Not to be overly generous with my own rhetoric, but Palin may lead the US into the next scientific dark age, or, more realistically, compromise the teaching of evolution in public schools, cut of funding for basic science research and fail to emphasize the growing concern about global warming.

When it comes to science, Palin is pretty much, in my opinion, a crank.
 
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According to CNN, Sarah Palin recently stated that North Korea is a strong US ally. These kind of blunders must cease if she wants to be viewed as a serious candidate in 2012. I think she should serve in the US Senate before running for President.
My honest opinion is that she's an idiot. But we elect lots of idiots to very high public offices. This is the nature of the beast. The USA is populated by an extremely large number of ignorant people.

Then again there's also the possibiltiy that she's not an idiot but is mostly just acting. This seems to be a reasonable assumption.

Bottom line, how much harm could she do to the country if elected to a national public office? Probably not any more than any other elected public official could or would do.

VOTE PALIN. Yeah that's right. We really don't give a ****.
 
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Sure she has a chance. The US is populated by lots of ignorant people. This isn't to say that Palin is ignorant. She's a very calculating and cunning politician. Whether she would be a good president or not is an open question. There's really only one way to find out.

What makes you believe Palin will capture the "ignorant" vote?
 
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My honest opinion is that she's an idiot. But we elect lots of idiots to very high public offices. This is the nature of the beast. The USA is populated by an extremely large number of ignorant people.Then again there's also the possibiltiy that she's not an idiot but is mostly just acting. This seems to be a reasonable assumption.

This is the second time you've posted this way. Here is the first.
"Sure she has a chance. The US is populated by lots of ignorant people. This isn't to say that Palin is ignorant. She's a very calculating and cunning politician. Whether she would be a good president or not is an open question. There's really only one way to find out. "

Please see above - from Evo.
"I will not, however, condone wild speculation or false information to be continually presented under the guise of opinion either. There is a line where opinion becomes overly speculative and is against the rules."

Might it be time to back up your posts?
 

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