Parameterization of hyperbola intersecting cone

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The problem involves parameterizing a hyperbola formed by the intersection of a cone defined by the equation x^2+y^2=z^2 (for z>0) with a plane given by x+y+z=1. The original poster is attempting to calculate a line integral involving a vector field over this hyperbola.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use a parameterization similar to a previous problem involving a cylinder but struggles with combining the parameterization of the cone with the plane equation. They express concern about singularities in their approach.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the original poster's equations and suggest using hyperbolic functions to represent the cone, noting that hyperbolas can be expressed using sinh and cosh functions.
  • Others suggest that the original poster's approach might be valid if they avoid integrating past singularities and encourage exploring the relationship between the parameterization of the cone and the plane.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative approaches. There is no explicit consensus, but several suggestions have been made regarding the use of hyperbolic functions and the parameterization of the cone.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original equations may have been misstated, and there is confusion regarding the parameterization methods. The original poster expresses frustration with the complexity of the problem and the presence of singularities in their calculations.

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Hello. I am having some trouble with the following problem and would be thankful if any of you could help me out.

Homework Statement



Let C be the hyperbola formed by intersecting the cone

[tex]x^2+y^2=z^2[/tex], [tex]z>0[/tex]

with the plane [tex]x+y+z=1[/tex], and let

[tex]\textbf{f}(x,y,z)=<0,0,1/z^2>[/tex].

I am trying to calculate [tex]\int_C \textbf{f} \wedge d\textbf{r}[/tex].

Homework Equations



Here [tex]\wedge[/tex] is the cross product in 3-space.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am able to solve the same sort of problem for the cylinder
[tex]x^2+y^2=1[/tex]
and the plane
[tex]z=2y+1[/tex].
In which case we let [tex]x = \cos t, y = \sin t[/tex] and [tex]z = 2\sin t +1[/tex] yeilding

[tex]r(t) = <\cos t,\sin t,2\sin t +1>[/tex]

from which the result follows from integration.

I attempted to do something simular for the problem I am trying to figure out. Using [tex]r(t,z) = <z \cos t, z\sin t, z>[/tex] to represent points on the cone, I tried to move forward, but did not find a good way to combine this with the equation for the plane as I did in the above example for the cylinder. Perhaps it is because I have z in r(t,z)? Following this line of attack I can comebine this with the equation for the plane z = 1-x-y = 1-z cos t - sin t, solving for z and combining with r(t,z) yeilds r(t) as

[tex]r(t) = (1+\cos t+\sin t)^{-1}<\cos t,\sin t,1>[/tex]

but then I end up with horrible singularities!

Would be most greatful if you would let me know how to solve this one!
 
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You meant to post x^2+y^2=z^2. x^2+y^2+z^2=z^2 is a line. The problem is that the hyperbola is unbounded and sin(t) and cos(t) are bounded functions. Try using their unbounded hyperbolic cousins, sinh(t) and cosh(t), in a similar way.
 
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Thanks, I fixed the equation you mention. I am not sure how I would use hyperbolic functions to represent the cone in the manor done with r(t,z) = <z cos t, z sin t, z>. I guess a hyperbola can be expressed as (+/- a cosh(u),b sinh(u)) but I am not sure how that helps me. Arg, this is confusing.
 
Perhaps what I did is actually correct, privided I do not integrate past the singularities? This should not be so hard, but it is.
 
Not entirely sure if this helps you but, the equation for a circle [itex]x^2+y^2=r^2[/itex] is parametrized by [itex]x=r \cos \theta, y =r \sin \theta[/itex], which you of course already know. Similarly the equation for a hyperbola x^2-y^2=r^2 is parametrized by [itex]x=r \cosh \theta, y=r \sinh \theta[/itex], note that [itex]\cosh^2 \theta-\sinh^2 \theta=1[/itex].
 
jake2009 said:
Thanks, I fixed the equation you mention. I am not sure how I would use hyperbolic functions to represent the cone in the manor done with r(t,z) = <z cos t, z sin t, z>. I guess a hyperbola can be expressed as (+/- a cosh(u),b sinh(u)) but I am not sure how that helps me. Arg, this is confusing.

Your posted quadratic is now a sphere. I still think you want x^2+y^2=z^2. If so try z=x*cosh(t) and y=x*sinh(t). That satisfies x^2+y^2=z^2 for any choice of x. Now substitute into the plane equation to find x in terms of t. It's really almost exactly the same thing you did with the cylinder example.
 

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