Parity and integration in spherical coordinates

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The discussion centers around the evaluation of integrals in spherical coordinates, specifically focusing on the use of parity to determine whether certain integrals are zero. Participants explore the implications of parity for spherical harmonics and trigonometric functions within the context of integration limits in spherical coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral involving spherical harmonics and questions whether its value can be determined to be zero based on the parity of the integrated function.
  • Another participant calculates the integral explicitly and finds it to be zero, reinforcing the idea that certain integrals can be evaluated without detailed calculations when parity is considered.
  • A later reply discusses a more complex integral and suggests that parity can again be used to assert that the integral is zero without performing calculations.
  • Some participants agree that if a function has definite parity, it can be concluded that the integral is zero, but they also note that not all functions possess definite parity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that parity can be used to determine the value of certain integrals, particularly when the function has definite parity. However, there is acknowledgment that not all functions exhibit this property, leaving some uncertainty regarding the application of parity in more complex cases.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for functions to have definite parity for the conclusions about the integrals to hold. The discussion does not resolve whether all functions in spherical coordinates can be analyzed similarly.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for those studying spherical harmonics, integral calculus in spherical coordinates, and the application of symmetry principles in mathematical physics.

KostasV
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Hello people!
I have ended up to this integral ##\int_{φ=0}^{2π} \int_{θ=0}^π \sin θ \ \cos θ~Y_{00}^*~Y_{00}~dθ \, dφ## while I was solving a problem.
I know that in spherical coordinates when ##\vec r → -\vec r## :
1) The magnitude of ##\vec r## does not change : ##r' → r##
2) The angles ##θ## and ##φ## change like ##θ' → π-θ## and ##φ' → π+φ##
3) So parity of spherical harmonics is ##\hat P## ##Y_{lm}(θ,φ)## ##=## ##Y_{lm}(θ',φ')=(-1)^l## ##Y_{lm}(θ,φ)##
4) Parity of ##\cos θ## and ##\sin θ## are ##\cos θ'## ##=## ##(-1)## ##\cos θ## and ##\sin θ'## ##=## ##\sin θ## respectively.
This means that in my case the integrated function has Parity equal to ##(-1)## .

So my question is:
Can I say that this integral is zero because of the odd (=parity is equal to (-1)) integrated funtion? Because in the xy plane when we integrate an odd function ##F(x)=-F(-x)## in a symmetric space (e.g. ##\int_{-a}^a F(x) \, dx## with F being odd) we can say that it is zero without to calculate it.
If yes, can I do this in general? meaning, if i get a random function in spherical coordinates which depends only from angles θ and φ and i want to integrate it with these limits: ##\int_{φ=0}^{2π} \int_{θ=0}^π randomF(θ,φ) \, dθ \, dφ## , can i find its parity and say if it is zero or not?
 
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Well, ##\mathrm{Y}_{00}=1/\sqrt{4 \pi}=\text{const}## and your integral thus is
$$\propto \int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta \sin \vartheta \cos \vartheta=\int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta \frac{1}{2} \sin(2 \vartheta)= \left .-\frac{1}{4} \cos(2 \vartheta)\right|_0^{\pi}=0.$$
 
vanhees71 said:
Well, ##\mathrm{Y}_{00}=1/\sqrt{4 \pi}=\text{const}## and your integral thus is
$$\propto \int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta \sin \vartheta \cos \vartheta=\int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta \frac{1}{2} \sin(2 \vartheta)= \left .-\frac{1}{4} \cos(2 \vartheta)\right|_0^{\pi}=0.$$
Ok that was an easy integral but what if i have something more complicated like ##\int_{φ=0}^{2π} \int_{θ=0}^π \sin θ \ \cos θ~Y_{11}^*~Y_{1-1}~dθ \, dφ## ? If we use parity here we see that the parity of the integrated function is (-1) and the integral must be zero! No calculations ! Just used parity !
My question is not how to solve the integral making calculations . I want to solve it using parity and i want to tell me if my thoughts are correct on how to use parity in order to solve these integrals!
Thanks btw for your response :)
 
KostasV said:
Can I say that this integral is zero because of the odd (=parity is equal to (-1)) integrated funtion?
Yes you can. Just remember that not every function has definite parity.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Yes you can. Just remember that not every function has definite parity.
Thank you very much ! :)
 

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