Partial Differentiation and Conic Asymptotes

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The discussion centers on the relationship between partial differentiation of conic equations and the equations of their asymptotes. Participants explore this concept specifically for hyperbolas, as well as other conics like parabolas, ellipses, and circles, examining what results from partial differentiation in these cases.

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  • One participant suggests that partial differentiation of a hyperbola's equation with respect to x or y yields the equations of its asymptotes, noting that these lines intersect at the hyperbola's center.
  • Another participant questions this assertion, stating that differentiating the standard form of a hyperbola does not produce the asymptotes but rather leads to the center coordinates (x=0, y=0).
  • This participant explains that the asymptotes can be found by considering the behavior of the hyperbola for large values of x and y, leading to the equations y = (b/a)x and y = -(b/a)x.
  • A third participant introduces a transformation to analyze asymptotes from a different perspective, suggesting that asymptotes can be viewed as tangent lines at points at infinity.
  • One participant expresses a lack of familiarity with partial differentiation and seeks clarification on its meaning and applications.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the relationship between partial differentiation and the equations of asymptotes, with no consensus reached on the validity of the initial claim. The discussion remains unresolved as different viewpoints are presented.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of relating partial differentiation to asymptotic behavior, with participants noting the need for careful consideration of definitions and conditions under which these relationships hold.

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If you partially differentiate the equation of a hyperbola w.r.t. x or y do you get the equation of its asymptotes? I know that if you do partially differentiate it, the two lines that you get, intersect at its center.

This is true for any conic and pair of straight lines. What about other conics? I.e, if you partially differentiate the equations for a parabola, ellipse, circle, what exactly do you get?
 
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It might help to know that "asymptote to a curve" is essentially the same thing as "tangent line to a curve at some point at infinity".

You can shift your perspective (so that the points at infinity become ordinary points) by using a transformation, such as

(s, t) = (y/x, 1/x).

How does your hyperbola, and its asymptotes, look in (s, t)-coordinates?


Oh, if it helps, the reverse transformation is:

(x, y) = (1/t, s/t)
 
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chaoseverlasting said:
If you partially differentiate the equation of a hyperbola w.r.t. x or y do you get the equation of its asymptotes? I know that if you do partially differentiate it, the two lines that you get, intersect at its center.

This is true for any conic and pair of straight lines. What about other conics? I.e, if you partially differentiate the equations for a parabola, ellipse, circle, what exactly do you get?
It's not exactly clear what you mean. The equation of a hyperbola in "standard position" is
[tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}- \frac{y^2}{b^2}= 1[/itex]<br /> If you differentiate that with respect to x and y you get, respectively,<br /> [tex]\frac{2x}{a}= 0[/tex] and<br /> [tex]\frac{2y}{b}= 0[/tex]<br /> or x= 0, y= 0, certainly NOT the equations of its asymptotes, which are <br /> y= (b/a)x and y= -(b/a)x.<br /> <br /> The asymptotes of a hyperbola are the lines the hyperbola tends to for large x and y. One way of finding them is to say that, for very large x, y, "1" is very small and can be neglected in comparison to the other terms: the curve will satisy, approximately, for large x, y <br /> [tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}- \frac{y^2}{b^2}= 0[/tex]<br /> [tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}= \frac{y^2}{b^2}[/tex]<br /> [tex]\frac{x}{a}= \pm \frac{y}{b}[/itex]<br /> the equations of the asymptotes.[/tex][/tex]
 
Thank you, that helps a lot. I am not familiar with partial differentiation, I just know certain specific applications of it, such as the ones I mentioned above, what does it mean really?
 

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