Phase difference of two moving particle

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The discussion revolves around determining the phase difference and relative motion of two particles. The first particle's position is calculated as 8.66 cm, while the second particle's position is 5 cm, leading to a phase difference of 3.66 cm. Clarification is sought on how to identify which particle is leading or lagging, with the consensus that the first particle is considered the leader by definition. Velocity calculations reveal that the first particle has a negative velocity of -26.2 cm/s, indicating it is moving in the opposite direction, while the second particle's velocity is zero. The discussion emphasizes understanding velocity direction and solving problems without relying on graphs.
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the question doesn't state that which particle is leading/lagging which particle.

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for the first particle, my working is 10 sin(2pi/3 )= 8.66cm

for the second paticle, my working is 10 sin(2pi/3+ 30pi/180)= 5 cm
so my final answer is 8.66-5 = 3.66

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how do we know that the second particle is lagging behind first particle?
 

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desmond iking said:
how do we know that the second particle is lagging behind first particle?
I think it's just a question of language: the first particle is the leading particle simply because the leader is first by definition. The question could have been written more clearly.

I assume you have noticed that the given answer to the second part is obviously wrong.
 
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how do we know that both particles are moving away form moving closer to each other?
 
In general, you look at the velocity of each. In this case, you can tell the velocity of one of the particles by inspection (using the numerical results from the answer sheet).
 
v_1 = 10 w cos(wt) = 10 (5/3 pi) cos(4/3 pi x 0.5) = -26.2 cm/s

v_2 = 10 w cos(wt-pi/6) = 10(5/3 pi) cos(4/3 pi x 0.5 - pi/6) = 0 cm/s.

my foundation for positive and negative velocity, and acceleration isn't good.
v1 is negative what does it mean?how to solve it without the help of the graphs?
 
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desmond iking said:
v_1 = 10 w cos(wt) = 10 (5/3 pi) cos(4/3 pi x 0.5) = -26.2 cm/s
That should be ##4\pi/3##, not ##5\pi/3##, but generally correct.

v_2 = 10 w cos(wt-pi/6) = 10(5/3 pi) cos(4/3 pi x 0.5 - pi/6) = 0 cm/s.
Correct.

my foundation for positive and negative velocity, and acceleration isn't good.
v1 is negative what does it mean?
It means that the direction is opposite to the direction of positive velocity. Assuming ##x## increases to the right, then ##v## also increases to the right, and a negative velocity is to the left.

how to solve it without the help of the graphs?
I'm not sure what you mean, since you just did solve it without a graph. If you are asking what I meant when I said one of the velocities could be found by inspection, the second particle's position was at ##x = 10##, and you know from the problem statement that the amplitude of the motion was also ##10##. So that particle was at the extreme of its motion, so its velocity had to be zero at that moment.
 
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